CADW drones policy

I wonder if they copy and pasted that from the New Forest National Park drone statement?
Flying drones in the new forest national park

the flying of drones, or UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicles) are not permitted on or over New Forest Crown land as part of their byelaws…
… Note: even if you take off from private land you may not fly over public land without permission.

Good to know :wink:

I tire of repeating myself so I’ll just quote my previous post.

PS: Having a look at the end of it, it seems to be entirely based on old regs as they refer to needing a PFCO for commercial operations. :upside_down_face:

FWIW Pembroke castle had a much fairer sign saying please dont fly drones from inside the castle.

Its not Cadw though but seemed a more sensible claim and rule. (I just did it outside from the river)

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I’m looking to fly round some CADW castles, I think I’ll just go on Tuesdays when they are closed. :slight_smile: I’m on my way to Criccieth castle now. :smiley:

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We’re in Portmadog just now, “signal box with tank engine “ spotting . . . :slight_smile:

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I appreciate this is an old(ish) post but I flew at Kidwelly Castle yesterday. I live relatively locally and we own some properties there but not been in the castle since I was a child (it was probably still being lived in then!).

I didn’t get bothered by anybody. I’d taken off from the river walk but walked up a path (unsigned) to to a different point to ensure I maintained VLOS.

Kidwelly Castle Orbital 13 10 2022

Not the best video but I’m slowly learning.

Edited your post to create the embedded player.

This is achieved by posting only the YT URL on it’s own line - nothing before/after - rather than the hyperlink.

So…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhEMAIsvbSI

… rather than …

[Kidwelly Castle Orbital 13 10 2022 - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhEMAIsvbSI)

And, welcome to GADC. :+1:

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Blockquote Note: even if you take off from private land you may not fly over public land without permission.

Are the NPA having a laugh?? :joy: :joy: :joy: :roll_eyes:

I live literally on the doorstep of the New Forest and to be honest I’d really have no interest in flying around that area. There’s really not much to see bar the odd picturesque village.

CADW have now updated their drone policy and it’s very good news for some drone flyers, cheers Len

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Not really - essentially says that you can’t share images here or anywhere else.

Must be on your computer or phone only.

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Commercial Use

Drones being used for commercial and filming purposes must complete a drone flying application form. This will ensure that the types of footage required can be maintained with pilot and visitor safety being paramount. Commercial flights may require partial or full site closure.

Costs will be charged for any change to the site’s opening and closing hours, this will be included within the fees for commercial filming and use of Cadw imagery etc. All commercial pilots will need to submit their public liability insurance (min. £5 million), method statement and supporting risk assessments.

These will be processed and spot checked before flights can be authorised, it is therefore necessary to submit these early. For partial closures pilots must be easily identifiable and ensure that they work within a set safe area of work.

I wonder if there is a truly legal basis for that CADW statement ?? Wouldn’t that mean that any video/photos taken anywhere can have publication prevented by the landowner - anybody know definitively if that is the case ?? :thinking:

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It may be against the Freedom of Panorama provision in the UK copyright laws.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_panorama
Basically, buildings in a public place can be included in photography without infringing copyright of the owner of said building. So, if you take a photograph of a castle from a public space you cannot be liable to infringe copyright. This is common sense as anyone taking snapshots with such buildings in the picture would otherwise be liable.
Pretty sure the airspace around the buildings is a "public’ space. Be nice to hear any other legally inclined members join in…

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Totally agree @jon1 - so I’m not sure how CADW can make this statement …

I don’t think they can if they have read the FoP protocol - for instance you fly a drone in a public area and take a photograph of a landscape which includes a CADW building in the background is the exact reason the FoP was put in place.
The summary on the Wiki link is a good starter for argument…

" Under UK law, freedom of panorama covers all buildings as well as most three-dimensional works such as sculptures that are permanently situated in a public place. The freedom does not generally extend to two-dimensional copyright works such as murals or posters. A photograph which makes use of the freedom may be published in any way without breaching copyright.

Section 62 of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 allows photographers to take pictures of buildings, defined in section 4(2) as “any fixed structure, and a part of a building or fixed structure”. There is no requirement that the building be in located a public place, nor does the freedom extend only to external views of the building. "

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It interests me that “people” seem to have such a hard time using correct terminology and getting things right. We all know that it’s a fairly complex subject to interpret, but if you’re working from the source (CAA), it shouldn’t be hard to state things correctly.

The first paragraph uses the word “licensed” instead of “registered”. It also contradicts itself, presumably accidentally, by the omission of the words “without a camera” in the last sentence.

What’s a “CAA no drone (fly) zone”? If they mean Flight Restricted Zones, why not call them that?

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