E-bike riders caught by police drone

How would you prove that an e-bike was being ridden illegally? There is no speed restriction that can be applied to bicycles as they are not motor vehicles, so if an e-bike is being ridden at above the 15mph limit applied to them but not using the electric motor, no crime has been committed. I’m talking about an e-bike here, not an electric moped which is what some of the faster and more powerful of these things techically are, restricted to 30mph. E-Bikes are governed to not exceed 15mph, though the governers can easily be removed by owners, but since a bicycle, including an e-Bike, does not need to be fitted with a speedometer, how is the rider expected to be aware of his speed and hence to control it, given that an e-Bike can easily achieve over 15mph downhill or with a following wind under pedal power alone. How would you prove it was being propelled by the electric motor, and if it is being motored and pedeallesd simultaneously, how many mph would you attribute to the electric motor? It is clearly impracticable to charge an e-Bike rider with riding at 20mph when he’s just been passed by a pedal-biker legally doing 25!

Of course it is also deeply unfair that a cyclist found guilty of committing a traffic offence on his/her bike can be given points on their driving license if they have one, and even disqualified if they amass enough points in this way, while a cyclist without a driving license is merely fined and sent on his way…

A lot of bicycle law is vague and contradicts itself, and there are many grey areas. It does no constructive good if the local 5-0 mount an operation where they target ‘kids on e-Bikes’, ignoring the abysmal observance of law by food delivery riders many of whom have not mastered the basics of riding a two-wheeled vehicle, and the kids are all then discharged by the magistrate on the advice of a tolerably knowledgable brief.

This is not to suggest that e-Bike riders do not engage in anti-social behaviour or use their bikes to commit crimes, but that it is counterproductive to assume that any group of kids arseing about on e-Bikes are committing any offence that can be quantitatively proven, especially speeding!

A lot of anger is caused by these people, some of it to me, but in the light of this it should in fairness be mentioned that I was once booked for speeding on a drop-handlebar push-bike in Barry, the copper claiming I was doing 50 down a hill in a 30mph limit (and I most likely was). He also booked me for not having a speedo, or lights during day-time, being of the opinion that I was required to have these on a push-bike. I went to Barry majistrate’s court, where I was given an unconditional discharge and an apology for the inconvenience…

All push-bikes must be sold with a front and real reflector, but there is no legal requirement for these to be carried after the sale. Many bike lights are illegal, being much brighter and safer than the British Standard the law requires, and there is still no legal requirement to display lit lights while the bike is stationary at night. Riding on pavements is illegal unless the bike is a toy; define toy (Big Wheel is obviously a toy, but what about a 24" wheel mountain bike?). All bicycles in the UK are required to carry an ‘audible means of warning of their approach’, but does this mean a bell, for which there are no accepted loudness or tone standards, or can you just shout ‘coming through’? Nobody knows.

One assumes that the more overtly dangerous riders will be taken out by the usual Darwin Award mechanisms sooner or later.

There are a few rules to E bikes. The 15mph limit you mentioned. No throttles unless theyre type approved. Major one is the motors have to be a maximum of 250 watts output.

My Hybrid that was ran over last week is completely road legal without insurance, only assists me up to 15mph and the hub motor was 250w, all above board.

The e mountainbike I have on the way although it only assists to 15mph but is 600w peak so I could have it confiscated if I use it on the road :roll_eyes:

Interesting points TheJohnster.

Whilst not an e-bike, I must admit to feeling annoyed when someone on an e-scooter zips past on the road … or path … or across a pelican crossing … or wherever they please …

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Tell that to the family of Kim Briggs who was fatally struck by Charlie Alliston on a London Street whilst cycling at 18mph and sentenced to 18 months detention for causing bodily harm by “wanton or furious driving”.

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One has a driving license so should know the hghway code, the other has not.

The traffic laws, regulations and general directions are IMHO quite clear on e-bikes when ridden as show. The issue is ownership has grown faster than secondary legislation can keep up. With the general reluctance to reduce cycle us as the risk (KSI) are much lower than the health benefits of cycling.

I am not going to tackle every point - my expertise us about 8 years out of date. So could not longer be classed as an expert witness.

E bikes are not governed to 15mph. Motor assistance is provided up to a speed of 15.5mph This power must be “pedal assist” meaning the pedals must be in motion for power to be delivered. Therefore if you exceed 15.5 mph i.e “down hill with the wind behind you” no motor assist is provided what so ever.

Johnster, as usual you’re talking Roblox. E Bikes certainly have laws about their construction and use on the roads. Recently quite a few of these have been seized by the police here in Derby. Some of them were capable of doing 30-40 mph.

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I wasnt going to get involved but have to agree, the information in the long post above is absolute diatribe and very misleading.

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Around here the surron’s & talaria’s are buzzing around at like 70-80 Mph, completely reckless the way they’re being ridden & yes a couple of people have been killed complete madness …

I have an eMTB and yeah that pedal assist is fab bellow 15.5mph but once you go over that boy do you know it as the bike puts on like 10kgs ! ( thought it feels like 50kgs at time when going up a hill at speed !) I use to travel faster on my non eMTB ( due to not carrying around 5kgs of battery and extra weight for motor - typical eMTB is around 10kgs more than a non epowered bike )

Note above that I have said eMTB and not e-bike as man there is such a stigma around this e-bike wording - The bikes that are being mainly targeted are E-Motorbikes - with throttle’s and go way faster than most can pedal.

But yeah we are all tarred with the same brush :frowning_face:

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