National Trust Policy Correspondence

Ask him to join us

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He does not have a drone. Trying to get him interested. He is asking me on behalf of his friend who is doing the climbing, not actually sure where the drone comes into it or who has the drone. Unless it was going to be a request for me to do it. If it was then it just is tooooo much messing around and hassle and probably not possible. I have a few people I am trying to get interested but they are asking me to look on here for a drone for them and I pass the details on but they never really want to make the plunge yet. I guess they will at some point.

@Foley Doesn’t need one Russ. I joined before I got one and I know there are ‘members’ that tune in for the info prior to committing to buy one. :+1:

Gotta get him interested. He saw ours and that is it really. Lol.

In case it helps, the CAA guidance does allow for the use of drones in follow me mode without the need for VLOS as long as the drone is set to follow no more than 50m away. The friend would just need to control its height if possible.

I think this ‘exemption’ only applies to drones that can be flown in A1 though.

And finally (maybe), to play devil’s advocate, do the NT have drone gestapo patrolling every square metre of Mt Snowdon, ready to clap you in irons and escort you off the premises as soon as you launch?

Search the forum for “Snowdon” and you’ll find plenty of footage. :wink:

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@Foley The Trust only looks after Hafod y Llan Russ, so as far as I am aware the Ridge and summit are classed as public spaces so drone away. :+1:

I will pass it on. Thanks

The pink bit is national trust land according to their land history map…

The summit land is owned by the Snowdonia National Park Authority, who simply say on their website:

“Care should be taken when using drones on mountains due to the high number of hikers. On Yr Wyddfa, all paths to the summit (which are also all Public Rights of Way) are geographically very narrow linear corridors used by a high number of hikers. The summit can be very busy, especially during the summer. More than one drone flying around in close proximity to each other could cause a considerable public safety concern.”

Though they then spoil it with a mixed bag of ‘rules’ …

https://authority.snowdonia.gov.wales/information/filming-in-snowdonia/using-drones/

I wish I had my mini 2 when I did Crib Goch a few years ago. Would have been awsome taking a dronie from the kniife-edge. I took a GoPro up with me but it it packed in on the way up! :cry:

The National Trust (nt.global.ssl.fastly.net) worth posting this here. The actual 1965 bye-laws they use.

They class drones as a conveyance and ban under article 11.

Have a look at all the other stuff banned that everyone does on a daily basis without sanction.

Also finally,

Penalties for Infringement of Byelaws
26. Every person who shall offend against any, of the foregoing Byelaws shall be
liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding £20 and in the case of a
continuing offence to a further fine not exceeding £2 for each day during which the
offence continues, or such other maximum as may be specified from time to time by
any Act of Parliament enacted after the date hereof

So if they did want to get arsey about it, basically £20 for a drone permit with £2 for each further day you use it. Bargain…

@gnirtS That’s interesting. Most Park related bylaws that I’ve come across refer to a level of fine ie Level 2, which is a maximum of £500 today. £20 in 1965 would have been a lot but today … peanuts! :+1:

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/explanatory-material/magistrates-court/item/fines-and-financial-orders/approach-to-the-assessment-of-fines-2/9-maximum-fines/

The fine has been mentioned lots of times

Never heard of anyone getting it

https://greyarro.ws/search?q=national%20trust%20fine

Similar to my AV Job. I did a lot of work in London and to park my 7.5 truck was expensive. Gaffer said, park on double yellows, it is cheaper then car parks. lol

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One car park wanted over £200 to park a 7.5t truck and a sprinter van over night.

Tell me about it. About 15 yrs ago I worked for a shop fitting company and also drove 7.5 tonners . Absolutely hated going to London. Once had to drive from Clapham to Basildon around rush hour time. Loads of bridges across the Thames, but virtually none with a height restriction higher than the lorry on the route I wanted to take. Plus, because of high buildings the sat nav regularly lost the satellites.

Oh I remember the sat nav issues

Talking about fines …… this is from a Coventry ByeLaw from 1962

“Every person who shall offend against any of these byelaws shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding two pounds.”

Not too much to worry about here either!

@Foley Russ your friend would be better off with some action cams, maybe one on the hat, one each on the arms. I bought a little action cam once to take to a zipline experience but didn’t do the zipline because I would have missed out on the morning safari that day, the clocks changed where I went which meant so did the timing of the experience, maybe next time I’ll be able to do it.

Just to jump back on the NT aspect dronescene does show quite clearly that NT don’t cover the summit. And that is NT’s own data.

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