The question is why and who oversees this legislation as the new one clearly states England and Wales
Why have Scottish prisons been removed is strange
Very!
I’ll hopefuly get a reply from the CAA over the next week
Possibly there is legislation in place and, if the zones were previously in NOTAM form, they had an expiry date and AA have just not noticed and updated.
From memory and the above Post they were FRZ
It also looks like there are no restrictions in Northern Island as well
But this isn’t an FRZ … just a restriction.
and England specifies FRZ…
They were not NOTAMs Dave. I have flown in and around the area of Perth Prison many times and always check before flight as there is also a busy commercial airport very close by. It was a proper restriction zone and showed when the NOTAM layer was switched off. And no, I shouldn’t have used FRZ.
I was only going from other “local” knowledge …
Either way - it all seems strange.
A flight restriction zone just a restriction
Two different things … or they wouldn’t be shown separately.
I’m pretty sure FRZs apply to drones (Unmanned aircraft) only.
Airspace restrictions can apply to any aircraft as specified in the note.
They are still listed as they always were, but I don’t control the layers
And the ones in Scotland from memory were the same, but ill move on now
Interesting. This differentiation confusion actually seems to be an AA “thing”.
FRZs were always only for “Protected Aerodromes”, and that used to be all that showed on that layer (as was often pointed out to those using FRZ/NFZ arbitrarily). And that is still the case.
So it seems that AA have decided to show them within the FRZ layer, for whatever reason.
Even AA’s own website only refers to them as “no-fly zones” for their latest update (17/01/24), and doesn’t once mention FRZ in relation to prisons.
So - both right.
Doesn’t solve Scotland though.
Yeah, hold my hands up to probably having had a crap memory on the details there… seems I was wrong on the NOTAM bit.
Was there any legislation ever in place
I’ve not been able to find any legal prohibition specifically on overflying prisons with drones. There are several such regulations that apply only to helicopters. The 164ft figure quoted is curious, and it is intended to be 50m clearance. This page from Altitude Angel explains the basis of the 164ft “no-drone” zones above prisons included in their data: You’ll note that it is just the 50m clearance to buildings contained in the old regulations. So despite what a few people have said above,…

Was there any legislation ever in place
If I were a gambling man…

Now wondering if it was an oversight in the data (somebody had just applied the flag to every prison in the UK?) and it went unnoticed until the legislation changed for England and Wales.
Prior to the changes announced, as per AA’s page, perhaps not.
Per that page of AA …
UK government has implemented a new legislation that deems flying drones within 400 meters of any closed prison or young offender institution in England and Wales an automatic offence. The new restrictions, set to take effect from 25 January 2024
I blame DJI NFZs. LOL!
Yeah I don’t think it’s aimed at the lightweights but the over 249 gram boys which are used to drop naughty stuff in the yards and are covered by stricter CAA restrictions
Even the little boys can carry a bum phone and enough bags of smack to make it worth the risk
Which puts them over the 249 weight limit and subject to higher restrictions. The gist of our conversation lead me to think if a ’ clean’ drone ‘accidentally’ dropped in they would just hold it and wait for someone to call and ask
’ please Sir can I have me drone back ? ’
As with any lost property you would then have to prove ownership and give over all your lovely details. . . . . .