# Various legal questions about 250g drones **URL:** \ **Category:** Legal & Privacy\ **Created:** [25 December 2023 18:07 UTC](https://greyarro.ws/t/various-legal-questions-about-250g-drones/71561 "2023-12-25T18:07:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![AquaticJedi](https://greyarro.ws/user_avatar/greyarro.ws/aquaticjedi/32/168444_2.png) [@AquaticJedi](https://greyarro.ws/u/AquaticJedi)\ **Post date:** [25 December 2023 18:07 UTC](https://greyarro.ws/t/various-legal-questions-about-250g-drones/71561/1 "2023-12-25T18:07:01Z")
Hi everyone. Merry Christmas! Been looking at real estate with a sub 250g fpv drone and not sure about commercial insurance, of course as most of us know it is a legal requirement to make money from a drone. The question that I’m confused about is does the insurance add that keeps popping up round here meet the requirements to be legal to make money from a drone? ---
**Author:** ![PPL](https://greyarro.ws/user_avatar/greyarro.ws/ppl/32/119791_2.png) [@PPL](https://greyarro.ws/u/PPL)\ **Post date:** [25 December 2023 18:18 UTC](https://greyarro.ws/t/various-legal-questions-about-250g-drones/71561/2 "2023-12-25T18:18:28Z")
You only need to blow it once to end up broke. ---
**Author:** ![AquaticJedi](https://greyarro.ws/user_avatar/greyarro.ws/aquaticjedi/32/168444_2.png) [@AquaticJedi](https://greyarro.ws/u/AquaticJedi)\ **Post date:** [25 December 2023 18:21 UTC](https://greyarro.ws/t/various-legal-questions-about-250g-drones/71561/3 "2023-12-25T18:21:47Z")
What? ---
**Author:** ![AquaticJedi](https://greyarro.ws/user_avatar/greyarro.ws/aquaticjedi/32/168444_2.png) [@AquaticJedi](https://greyarro.ws/u/AquaticJedi)\ **Post date:** [25 December 2023 18:23 UTC](https://greyarro.ws/t/various-legal-questions-about-250g-drones/71561/4 "2023-12-25T18:23:02Z")
Also another question. When you measure a drones weight to see which class it is in do you measure it with or without the battery? ---
**Author:** ![AquaticJedi](https://greyarro.ws/user_avatar/greyarro.ws/aquaticjedi/32/168444_2.png) [@AquaticJedi](https://greyarro.ws/u/AquaticJedi)\ **Post date:** [25 December 2023 18:24 UTC](https://greyarro.ws/t/various-legal-questions-about-250g-drones/71561/5 "2023-12-25T18:24:00Z")
Asking all these questions as I got a V3 f7 speedybee flight stack for Christmas and want to put it to use ---
**Author:** ![JockyB](https://greyarro.ws/user_avatar/greyarro.ws/jockyb/32/188032_2.png) [@JockyB](https://greyarro.ws/u/JockyB)\ **Post date:** [25 December 2023 18:25 UTC](https://greyarro.ws/t/various-legal-questions-about-250g-drones/71561/6 "2023-12-25T18:25:47Z")
Sub 250 refers to the drones take off weight ( it can’t take off without the battery ) Commercial insurance can be purchased on an ad hoc basis from most of the regular drone insurance suppliers. Can be bought even on a daily basis if required. 😉😉 ---
**Author:** ![AquaticJedi](https://greyarro.ws/user_avatar/greyarro.ws/aquaticjedi/32/168444_2.png) [@AquaticJedi](https://greyarro.ws/u/AquaticJedi)\ **Post date:** [25 December 2023 18:27 UTC](https://greyarro.ws/t/various-legal-questions-about-250g-drones/71561/7 "2023-12-25T18:27:20Z")
Great thanks for that! Hmm gonna have to make adjustment to the weight of my fpv drone build! ---
**Author:** ![AquaticJedi](https://greyarro.ws/user_avatar/greyarro.ws/aquaticjedi/32/168444_2.png) [@AquaticJedi](https://greyarro.ws/u/AquaticJedi)\ **Post date:** [25 December 2023 18:32 UTC](https://greyarro.ws/t/various-legal-questions-about-250g-drones/71561/8 "2023-12-25T18:32:12Z")
Oh one more question just out of interest when I saw it whilst I was googling. Can drone operators over 13 fly by themselves? Or do you need an older person ---
**Author:** ![JockyB](https://greyarro.ws/user_avatar/greyarro.ws/jockyb/32/188032_2.png) [@JockyB](https://greyarro.ws/u/JockyB)\ **Post date:** [25 December 2023 18:39 UTC](https://greyarro.ws/t/various-legal-questions-about-250g-drones/71561/9 "2023-12-25T18:39:22Z")
You need to be age 12 to fly the drone by yourself, but, you have to display a Operator ID on the drone. An Operator ID can only be bought by someone over the age of 18. Get yer dad to purchase the OP ID 😉😉 PS if it’s a FPV drone, you’ll also need someone with you as a spotter 😉 ---
**Author:** ![milkmanchris](https://greyarro.ws/user_avatar/greyarro.ws/milkmanchris/32/237713_2.png) [@milkmanchris](https://greyarro.ws/u/milkmanchris)\ **Post date:** [25 December 2023 19:03 UTC](https://greyarro.ws/t/various-legal-questions-about-250g-drones/71561/10 "2023-12-25T19:03:03Z")
> [@AquaticJedi](#): > > The question that I’m confused about is does the insurance add that keeps popping up round here meet the requirements to be legal to make money from a drone? Our insurance is hobbyist only. ---
**Author:** ![AquaticJedi](https://greyarro.ws/user_avatar/greyarro.ws/aquaticjedi/32/168444_2.png) [@AquaticJedi](https://greyarro.ws/u/AquaticJedi)\ **Post date:** [25 December 2023 19:05 UTC](https://greyarro.ws/t/various-legal-questions-about-250g-drones/71561/11 "2023-12-25T19:05:15Z")
Oh no I’m definitely not new to the hobby just curious🤣 my first flight was when I was 9 but yeah I just wanted to try make some money. Been flying for just coming up to 6 years now and already have drone licence. Got the speedybee for Christmas because I do a lot of mechanics and run a refurbishment business and always wanted to do a really powerful fpv drone, I’ve done a bit of drone construction previously but not to the extent of what I’m planning now ---
**Author:** ![AquaticJedi](https://greyarro.ws/user_avatar/greyarro.ws/aquaticjedi/32/168444_2.png) [@AquaticJedi](https://greyarro.ws/u/AquaticJedi)\ **Post date:** [25 December 2023 19:05 UTC](https://greyarro.ws/t/various-legal-questions-about-250g-drones/71561/12 "2023-12-25T19:05:41Z")
Ah ok I’ll have to talk to one of the other companies I found ---
**Author:** ![milkmanchris](https://greyarro.ws/user_avatar/greyarro.ws/milkmanchris/32/237713_2.png) [@milkmanchris](https://greyarro.ws/u/milkmanchris)\ **Post date:** [25 December 2023 19:09 UTC](https://greyarro.ws/t/various-legal-questions-about-250g-drones/71561/13 "2023-12-25T19:09:15Z")
> [@AquaticJedi](#): > > Ah ok I’ll have to talk to one of the other companies I found Make sure it’s commercial and make sure the cover is sufficient More and more clients are asking for more than the normal £5m liability ---
**Author:** ![AquaticJedi](https://greyarro.ws/user_avatar/greyarro.ws/aquaticjedi/32/168444_2.png) [@AquaticJedi](https://greyarro.ws/u/AquaticJedi)\ **Post date:** [25 December 2023 19:40 UTC](https://greyarro.ws/t/various-legal-questions-about-250g-drones/71561/14 "2023-12-25T19:40:32Z")
But I honestly don’t see how a drone can do even £1m in damage? ---
**Author:** ![AquaticJedi](https://greyarro.ws/user_avatar/greyarro.ws/aquaticjedi/32/168444_2.png) [@AquaticJedi](https://greyarro.ws/u/AquaticJedi)\ **Post date:** [25 December 2023 19:41 UTC](https://greyarro.ws/t/various-legal-questions-about-250g-drones/71561/15 "2023-12-25T19:41:02Z")
Only if it hits an aircraft and if it does why was it that high in the first place? ---
**Author:** ![milkmanchris](https://greyarro.ws/user_avatar/greyarro.ws/milkmanchris/32/237713_2.png) [@milkmanchris](https://greyarro.ws/u/milkmanchris)\ **Post date:** [25 December 2023 19:47 UTC](https://greyarro.ws/t/various-legal-questions-about-250g-drones/71561/16 "2023-12-25T19:47:50Z")
> [@AquaticJedi](#): > > But I honestly don’t see how a drone can do even £1m in damage? Kills a child Hits a Veyron Burns down a 2 up 2 down in that London Town List is endless ---
**Author:** ![AquaticJedi](https://greyarro.ws/user_avatar/greyarro.ws/aquaticjedi/32/168444_2.png) [@AquaticJedi](https://greyarro.ws/u/AquaticJedi)\ **Post date:** [25 December 2023 19:49 UTC](https://greyarro.ws/t/various-legal-questions-about-250g-drones/71561/17 "2023-12-25T19:49:44Z")
Mm yeah I guess so. Dunno where you gonna find a veyron though 🤣 I just do Massey Fergusons and race cars ---
**Author:** ![briwy](https://greyarro.ws/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/57b2e6/32.png) [@briwy](https://greyarro.ws/u/briwy)\ **Post date:** [25 December 2023 23:36 UTC](https://greyarro.ws/t/various-legal-questions-about-250g-drones/71561/18 "2023-12-25T23:36:53Z")
Commercial insurance has to conform to EC785/2004 if that helps. ---
**Author:** ![FirinBlanks](https://greyarro.ws/user_avatar/greyarro.ws/firinblanks/32/69813_2.png) [@FirinBlanks](https://greyarro.ws/u/FirinBlanks)\ **Post date:** [26 December 2023 10:51 UTC](https://greyarro.ws/t/various-legal-questions-about-250g-drones/71561/19 "2023-12-26T10:51:15Z")
I was under the impression that mandatory insurance was no longer required as the distinction between commercial and recreational flying had been removed, it is of course best practice to have insurance. ---
**Author:** ![BudgieUK](https://greyarro.ws/user_avatar/greyarro.ws/budgieuk/32/166630_2.png) [@BudgieUK](https://greyarro.ws/u/BudgieUK)\ **Post date:** [26 December 2023 11:15 UTC](https://greyarro.ws/t/various-legal-questions-about-250g-drones/71561/20 "2023-12-26T11:15:45Z")
There used to be a different level of approval for commercial and recreational flights. You used to have to poses a PfCO (permission for commercial operations), but that was overtaken some years ago. The key difference between recreational and commercial flights now (certainly for \<250g drones) is the requirement to have insurance for commercial flights. [Next page](https://greyarro.ws/t/various-legal-questions-about-250g-drones/71561.md?page=2)