Apps and utilities to view drones that broadcast Drone ID and Remote ID data

Love it, fill the skies :rofl:

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101 drones in the sky :scream: :scream: :scream: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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Pmsl

Remote ID is coming to your older DJI Drones :scream:

Drone Model Name Broadcast Module Needed?
Mini 3 Pro No
Air 2S No
Avata No
Mavic 3 No
Mavic 3 Cine No
Mavic 3 Classic No
Mini 3 No
Inspire 3 No
Mavic 3 Pro No
Mavic 3 Pro Cine No
FPV No; Firmware upgrade will available by August 31, 2023 at the latest
Mavic Air 2 No; Firmware upgrade will available by September 30, 2023 at the latest
Mavic 2 Zoom No; Firmware upgrade will available by December 31, 2023 at the latest
Mavic 2 Pro No; Firmware upgrade will available by December 31, 2023 at the latest
Phantom 4 Pro v2.0 No; Firmware upgrade will available by December 31, 2023 at the latest

Thatā€™ll be another reason im never updating my nicely unlocked, unrestricted, JeepDoors modified Mavic 2 Pro then.

No way?

Theyā€™re actually going to build and release firmware for some looooong discontinued drones that are still of the GO4 era :scream: :see_no_evil:

As if anyone ever needed yet another reason to not blindly update their DJI firmware. Agreed.

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Just to put that in to perspective, there have only been five ā€œupdatesā€ to GO4 in the last three years.

And I use the word ā€œupdatesā€ loosely in this context.

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Pretty sure all of the RID is firmware based where the only interface with software would be the certificate download. And thatā€™s likely a copy/paste job from Fly to an extent.

The last few ā€œupdatesā€ for the Mavic 2 at least added no extra features and just stopped hacks from working.

Airdata now supports RID :roll_eyes:

@SparkyFPV Wayne

This was back in June when mine was showing it was broadcasting ā€¦.

Thatā€™s nothing to do with the post above :roll_eyes: maybe have a read :wink:

Ah ok yes sorry, was a bit lazy there & assumed, my bad.

THREE DAYS before their own deadline :man_facepalming:t2:

https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/faa-extends-remote-id-enforcement-date-six-months

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:joy::joy::joy:

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However this is only for drones that do not have it built in.

An interesting point made by Xjet on his YouTube channel recently, is that even though the FAA are not going to try to prosecute ā€œoffendersā€ for not having RID on their drone, it may well invalidate a drone pilots insurance, as the regulations state that you have to have one fitted.
That may get quite messy!

mods, iā€™m hoping Iā€™ve plonked this topic in the right location, I went with ā€œgeneral drone discussionā€ as it will affect everyone at some point, please feel free to move.

FIRSTLY please donā€™t turn this into a rant thread!!!

feel free to have a rant over here over the likely implications and implementation by the CAA

as per the topic, remote ID (RID) how does it work?

really: what do we KNOW and how do we THINK it works or will work?

from my limited understanding:

the uav (drone) will transmit an identifier, and the GPS coordinates of the uav (drone) and the GPS coordinates of the uav operator (pilot).

the implementation in the USA seems that this information is transmitted via a 2.4ghz signal and is openly accessible to anyone with a smart phone, iPad, tablet, laptop, etc that can receive a 2.4ghz signal

(note the word ā€œseemsā€ as I do not knowā€¦ does anyone actually KNOW)

given there seems to be 3 bits of information transmitted

  • I presume that the GPS coordinates will be latitude, longitude and elevation information
  • the ā€œidentifierā€ I presume it will not be a hard coded identifier (drone serial number) as add on devices for non manufactured UAVs will need an add on device. will this identifier be the operator ID or something else?
  • if this " identifier" is the operator ID I presume that I just type it into all of my uav devices (some of us dont just own 1 uav, and we donā€™t fly just DJI devices)
  • if this ā€œidentifierā€ is unique (ie drone serial number or remote controller serial number), does it get entered into a database somewhere that tags the serial number with an operator ID?
  • if itā€™s a unique identifier, what happens with DIY built drones as I presume we will have to buy a transponder device to attack onto our UAVsā€¦ I presume we could share that device across many UAVs?
  • if we share that transponder device across several UAVs, how would anyone know which uav I own I am flying (ie it could be my sub 250g 3.5" quad or tiny whoop, or it could be my 2kg monster (hypothetical))

RID signal transmissionā€¦ in the US I believe (not certain) that anyone with a mobile phone of smart device can view the unique id of the uav operator and their GPS coordinates and that of the uavā€¦

  • is that correct?

  • I presume that the signal is transmitted using a ā€œstandardā€ 2.4ghz or 5.8ghz WiFi type signal or Bluetooth transmission (is that correct)

  • how far is the signal transmission (because in the UK WiFi power is limited to
    ā€“ 2.4 GHz: 100 mW (20 dBm)
    ā€“ 5 GHz channel 36 to 64: 200 mW (23 dBm)
    ā€“ 5 GHz channel 100 to 140: 1000 mW (30 dBm)
    ā€“ 5 GHz channel 155 to 171: 4000 mW (36 dBm)

  • if RID in the UK is going to use 2.4ghz (or if another frequency either or in addition to), then surely they (those in charge) are going to need a hell of a lot of monitoring stations to log and record data given the transmission power of the rid devices is likely to have to fall in line with other transmission power ratings in those same transmission bands)

  • also how good are the rid logging stations going to have to be to discriminate between other transmissions on 2.4ghz or 5ghz as all WiFi uses those same frequencies or are we hoping that RID will not be encrypted.

I am trying to understand how this is going to workā€¦

I understand how ANPR works and it uses a number of static cameras (data inputs). Iā€™m just not seeing how they (those in charge) can log all data, everywhere across the UK, discrinate between what is required and what is other signal traffic (other WiFi or Bluetooth signals), given even mobile phone coverage is not everywhere or that good in some areas. (are they hoping to use mobile phone masts to snoop and log)?

Again this is NOT a rant threadā€¦ use one of the others pleaseā€¦ this is a HOW does it work, HOW is it likely to work thread please.

yes I am aware of various esp32 devices that can act as fake RID signals, How to spoof Remote ID ā€“ SQUIDRID ā€“ sUAS News ā€“ The Business of Drones, and that a bit of tin foil will probably ā€œimproveā€ the signal transmission of any add on RID devices that we may be forced to add to our UAVs. (itā€™s not my fault that the signal transmission from the devices is not great with all that electrical noise from the esc or shielding that is ā€œrequiredā€ or ā€œaddedā€ to improve the device transmission (I know nothing how these things are going to work or what they need to work and what will affect them from working)

I want to understand more how it is going to work

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The ones that I have seen via youtube videos are very hit and miss, the cost to cover the whole country makes it a non starter straight away. Iā€™m guessing organised events only will possibly be covered assuming that the local police force have got into the 21st century yetā€¦

Have a read above Rob, many of your questions are answered :+1:

started working my way through it Wayne

I tried using the app with my avata and mini3 pro and did not see any info (but I suspect that they are broadcasting)