Drone Assist app is showing "No-Drone Zones" over Historic Environment Scotland sites

To an extent (given you need to maintain spacial awareness).
Realistically, most places are going to have people and property so you’re in A1.
Most people are not going to be able to see a drone, it’s orientation and spacial awareness of the airspace around it over 500m or so away

Becoming a member of the NT might be worth whatever it costs if this pay-to-fly stuff becomes widespread. It does feel discriminiatory; people who don’t use drones to take photos are not charged for the privilege, why whould we be?. Perhaps this aspect of it will lead to it’s not being adopted by the NT, but EH and CADW might be a different story. I doubt if one could film much of Caerphilly Castle (to take an example local to me) from TOAL outside the site and maintaining VLOS. I suppose that it’s original purpose was to keep people like me, a Welshman, out, and charging to film over it is very much what the de Clares who built it would have approved of…

But it’s not. It’s “pay to have permission to TOAL” from places that have always been a PITA.

One must assume that the land owner and AA split the fee.

More than I’d pay, especially when there’s places outside their land that are available quite legally for (mostly) the same shots.

But, then again, there will be many shots that cannot be legally taken by TOAL from further away.

There is a logic - however annoying.

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Just a thought. If I am standing on their land, but wearing a very large flat hat that I own, and I take off and land on MY hat, technically I’m NOT TOAL from their land , Am I ?
Asking for a friend :innocent:

Unfortunately in that circumstance you’re effectively a fleshy landing pad, which is still on their land.

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Don’t worry, if they catch you just pack up and leave

Whether it is legaly enforcable or not what it would do is increase the number of interactions when flying at those places from outside and increase the numbers of times police may be called and it goes on and on…

Altitude angel are going to have to be very specific in their notes that its just for taking off and landing on their land and not for flying over.

Only have to look at what happened to me at Tillbury fort. The one time I turn away from the water and think “That looks interesting”… out comes the staff on the bounce.

Sounds like a load of hassle, Il stick to flying over the sea I think :rofl:

Indeed … the thing about civil trespass, is that they need to know who you are in order to take civil action.

If you walk away, they have no recourse.

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Operating from.
You’re operating from their land.

In other words, for those properties more than 500m from the TOAL, it is basically pay to fly ( if you want to film/ take photos with a drone) :wink:

It is about time a hoverboard was invented.

You could then fly into their property and launch from that.! :joy:

Access rights right in Scotland don’t allow drone operations?
They don’t disallow them either. There isn’t really any mention of them in the act. What the act does say is that there is an implied right of access to land for recreational, leisure, fitness activities etc. Providing you follow the outdoor access code, and of course the drone code.
They would have to have a byelaw put in place or a change in law, but that would be completely against the ethos of the act so I doubt it would happen. There are of course exclusions set out in the act. You can’t just walk into a private garden and use it for toal, but then why would you want to?

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Understood, I’ve not read the exact wording but reading comments here it seems to me that the restriction is about TOAL from their land, not about Operating from their land, so if my drone doesn’t TOUCH their land, only me then would that LEGALLY count as TOAL from their land ? Drone flying to me is a leasure activity which apparently is permitted. Could they ban selfie sticks ? My drone is my selfie stick :upside_down_face: Does the Ban include a child flying a kyte or holding a balloon ? Both could be classed as ’ leasure activities’ but if said child let’s go, then technically that could be classed as ‘taking off’ :thinking:

If you’re controlling a drone on their land, you’re operating from their land.
It’s up to them what is classed as a leisure activity not you. Some places do ban selfie sticks and 360 cameras. It’s pretty common globally.

Actually, no. One of the things Scotland gets right with regards to the natural environment is that it’s not up to the landowner whether the outdoor access code applies.

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Actually, as mentioned, I think they DON’T get to decide what is, or isn’t a leisure activity and again I was responding to the comment’s about TOAL, AS I said I havent read comments about OPERATING a drone from their land but would still contend that it COULD be interpreted by the law, as a leisure activity. Also I’m me, here, not ‘Somewhere globally’ EVERYTHING is probably banned somewhere in the world, I’m interested in what is and isn’t allowed where I am.

I moved your post to here as it has already been discussed

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Cheers sparky didn’t know this :+1:

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I watched one of his videos the other night…gatekeeping much?? He just wanted you to sign up to his channel to find out what is publicly available information anyway, but he was acting as if he was the only one who knew anything. Quite dangerous when such people present themselves as authoritative when they are not.