Drones and Low Flying Military Aircraft


#1

Morning all :slight_smile:

A close view of an RAF Typhoon in Glen Coe yesterday (not with my drone but still :open_mouth: ) got me thinking about being better prepared for areas where low flying military aircraft can appear out of nowhere.

I’ve tweaked my work processes to add contacting the RAF Safety Centre to check before I fly in likely jet hotspot areas (arguably, I should have been doing this already - oops, my bad).

For the benefit of others, here’s the relevant information I gathered:

  1. General page on low flying : https://www.gov.uk/guidance/military-low-flying
  2. Low flying information for England, Wales and Scotland - 01780 417558 (Mon - Fri 8am-4pm)
  3. Low flying timetable: www.gov.uk/government/publications/operational-low-flying-training-timetable
  4. RAF Safety Centre Contact details: Freefone 0800 515 544 (7am–11pm Mon-Thurs and 7am – 5pm on Fri)

I didn’t notice this topic in other parts of the site, but if it is covered, Pingspike/Calum/OzoneVibe - feel free to delete/archive :+1:


#2

It’s been discussed briefly in a few threads but we don’t have a thread dedicated to it, so good to go.


#3

I was flying out near Chapel Island in Morecombe bay last autumn with my Inspire, living in the lakes you have to keep an eye on the MoD flight schedules. I’d been flying no more than a couple of hundred feet, got low on battery and started bringing her back. Heard a jet in the distance and for some reason I turned the drone as I looked and caught a Typhoon flying past where I’d been 5 mins earlier! I’ll try and dig out the footage. I won’t fly in the lakes anymore between 11am and 3pm during the week :grimacing:


#4

That must be some pretty cool footage :grin::+1:I was walking back down the hillside when the jet came over. It was to the left of where I’d been flying, but if it had come past while dronie was up, in the current climate I’m sure I’d be in the cells by now :grimacing:


#5

So right there is a question… if the plane is below 400ft and a fast mover, who is culpable if there is an incident (well whose opinion isn’t the press’s anyway)


#6

It’s an interesting one - I was flying legally on Tuesday, had notified Police Scotland of my precise location, insurance was in place, had added a flight report to the NATS app, and was operating well within the restrictions of my PfCO.

Whilst that area has occasional low flying, it isn’t a permanent danger zone or anything of that nature. I suspect if I’d still been flying and there had been a collision, it would have been classed as a genuine accident.

Very glad not to be the test case though - can you imagine the sh*tstorm in the media?


#7

If Gatgate was anything to go by… I’d expect to see your mush plastered all over the front page of every paper :confused:


#8

Not a pleasant sight :grin:

But seriously, when it does happen to someone, I’d be really concerned about their wellbeing. The press have got a real hard on for drone bashing :slightly_frowning_face:


#9

My take on this is that the MILIATARY would never admit that a hobby drone can take out something designed to win wars!
If they do - I want to buy shares in DJI before every middle-eastern terrorist stocks up.


#10

It’s not really a question of if

a hobby drone can take out something designed to win wars!

It certainly could if it was ingested into a single engined jet.

The barrier to that happening is not having a targeting system that can aquire and track a jet alt high speed and low level, combined with the speed and manoueverability to be able to intercept it, hobby Drones have neither, so it becomes a matter of chance


#11

Are there any maps of military low fly zones. Is it possible to know when it is safe to fly in these?

Ronidog


#12

Moved your post over to a pre-existing thread on the topic … and the info you need in first post.


#13

Thanks but going through that information there does not appear to be any maps just a timetable and a vague description
‘the Scottish Borders and a small portion of the north england’


#14

Try this other thread …

Low Flying Areas in Snowdonia not Showing on Maps?


#15

This is what your looking for.

Zones in top left.

UK Military Airspace.pdf (6.7 MB)


#16

Don’t have any over Southampton for me to worry about it. :stuck_out_tongue:


#17

I think that this should all be tidied up by the CAA and put on drone assist. I am going to be flying in the Yorkshire dales and the lakes and know that they fly low in some areas. I wanted to check out some different sites.

It seems that drone capacity and availability has grown too fast for the traditional air users


#18

Seems like the Mach Loop in Wales is the place to be (or avoid), especially at 3:32!


#19

I agree