Flying without GPS - way to go?

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Maybe sometimes you have to take your hands of the handlebars or take the stabilisers off. Itā€™s not that hard when you get used to it. Ask Steve @Steviegeek (quad god).

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With my P2, ā€œATTIā€ and ā€œFull Manualā€ could be selected at the flick of a switch.

Was happy in either withing 30 mins.

I absolutely take my hat off to anyone who flys atti or acro etc line of sight. That is a real talent.
Fpv is the ā€œstabilisers on the bmxā€

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A couple of differences with the Phantom, compared to the smaller FPV types, which may have improved stability slightly is that thereā€™s probably a degree of ā€œpendulumā€ as a result of its height and the main mass (battery) being below the props, and also the overall span being much larger considerably reducing the sensitivity to pitch and roll.

Power to weight ratio must be lower, too, that works in conjunction with the span.

Doing a flip needed a LOT of spare height. LOL!

I fully understand. I ā€˜hadā€™ a 10" prop drone. Itā€™s now in pieces. There is definitely an oscillating momentum re pitch and roll (at what ever frequency). It was not something to throw about.

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Same. I need to grow a pair and fly in ATTI on a nice calm day just to get used to it.

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Has anyone actually read the article? :thinking:

Yup - I particularly liked how it started ā€¦ ā€œBut if youā€™re flying in a mine ā€¦ a GPS signal may simply not be available.ā€

May?

Iā€™ll give Ā£10 to the first person to get a GPS fix in any mine. :wink:

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Opencast? :sunglasses:

BitCoin?

NT Robotics might have overspent their grant. Theyā€™re using a cheap $35 frame, and they obviously had a mishap as one of their E310 motors has been swapped out for a Phantom motor.

I primarily fly in ATTI, sometime manual, mode and relying on GPS for the autonomous functions. But the article is alluding to semi or full autonomous mode when a GPS signal is not available or unsuitable for the application. Iā€™ve long wanted to experiment with SLAM technologies and as the prices of the required modules are now coming into the realm of retired pensioners I hope to have a play in the near future.

Nidge.

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Thats an interesting article - Im guessing the examples given demonstrate that a ā€œspecialistā€ type of drone is needed in those situations, not the usual hobbyist types. Also interesting to read about the security issues of GPS - Iā€™ve never thought of that angle before. Again Im guessing that such ā€œundergroundā€ drones must need quite an array of sensors to compensate. Different kind of flying I reckon, and probably a very specialist area.

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Itā€™s an acquired skill. You can switch off GPS mode in most DJI drones. The drone will act completely different ie; it will drift with the breeze, once a command such as forward is released it will not stop the inertia will continue forwards for some time unless you counter it with some reverse.

It takes some practice and as mentioned above Iā€™m yet to grow a pair and practice :joy:

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Iā€™d like to try my hand at flying in ATTI. Does anyone know if an MM can be forced into ATTI modeā€¦ aside from going down a mine?

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Not out of the box, can be assigned though in modded firmware.

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Try flying one of the rc helicopters without a direction giro, the real ones where you have a swash plate for forwards backwards, fly left right. The tail roter pitch for rotation left right and throttle for up downā€¦

If you donā€™t want to try that a 1/2 inch ball hearing on a sheet of glass is a start.

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I imagine itā€™s harder than flying a real one which is similarly balancing a ball bearing on a moving surface - the RC version lacks the seat of the pants and the FPV of the real one :slight_smile:

I used to fly RC helicopters in the ā€˜90s. Mostly a Kyosho Concept 30 with a Futaba 154 mechanical gyro - literally two spinning brass discs with a potentiometer on the axle pivot - on the tail. I was over at Epsom Downs flying once when I met another guy learning to hover and bouncing around on his stabilisers. We got chatting and turns out he was a helicopter pilot by profession. He said he canā€™t believe how much more difficult it was to fly the model as it reacted so much more quickly than the real thing which gave you much more thinking time. So models are apparently much harder!

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