General musings of a newbie, 3 weeks in

Probably nothing unusual about my experiences so far; complete noob, started with Simrex X300 which flew off into the wide blue yonder because I didn’t realise how to calibrate it properly (part my fault for jumping to conclusions, part the fault of Chinglish instructions), replaced it with a Global Drones P8. Both these are low-end cheapo (though the build quality is reasonable), and quite difficult to fly. I’m getting better, though…

Thinking about it, I’m asking a lot of the P8. It is a problem in any sort of wind, even the lightest, and does not like hovering. I can fly it around in a vague sort of manner which is great fun, but not with the precision I want and not for any length of time. I attempt to hover, which requires correction because of wind, even very light wind, and because the control is all-or-nowt and not graduated, I can’t hold the a/c in a position over the ground because I have to move it forward to counter the wind and then allow it to be blown backwards, then repeat the sequence. I am flying into the wind which feels like the sensible thing to do to maximinse what little control I have.

Of course, inevitably, I cannot hold it perfectly head-in to the wind and it drifts off one side or another, leading to a sequence of overcorrections until I have to bring it down. The answer, obviously, is GPS. But first I want to examine the actual mechanics of what is happening. I doubt I will be able to master flying the P8 outdoors, certainly not to the point at which I can shoot acceptable video, which is the ultimate intention. I am making some assumptions here, but I am assuming that the basic principle of keeping it in the air is that there is some sort of gyro device built in to the a/c. In a perfect world, with no input from the contols, it would maintain postition in a level attitude, until I want it to go somewhere, at which point I push the lh joystick up, the rear rotors speed up, the a/c puts it’s nose down, and moves forward, &c. But this isn’t a perfect world, there are always air currents and disturbances, and she drifts; what do I expect from something that weighs less than 250g and is basically a powered leaf?

So, GPS. I’d love a DJI, of course, but this is well outside of my price range, and I will have to compromise on quality and go for something cheaper. Narrowed it down to 4 possibles on the 'zon, between £50 and £150; all have pros and cons, and the reviews & ratings correspond to the increasing prices in much the way you’d expect. GPS offers obvious feature advantages, but I can’t imagine a £50 item would be all that good. Let me see if I understand how they work; the drone triangulates itself with reasonable accuracy using the available satellites, and therefore ‘knows’ where it started from and where it is, meaning that it can find it’s way back. This is triggered by the pilot actuating the RTH button, low battery, or signal loss from the controller/smartphone. The drone has a degree of autonomy. It can also perform tricks such as ‘follow me’ and ‘fly around an object filming it’, both of which I think I would find useful.

How does it know how high off the ground it is, and how far off the subject to follow or circle around? To what extent will it improve the accuracy and precision of my piloting, and to what extent will it improve the camera steadiness (only one of my options has a two-way gimbal, and not the most expensive one!). Will I be able to land ‘on the spot’? I am assuming that higher prices=better capacity to cope with wind, but that doesn’t necessarily follow if all that happens is that the drone is more powerful, develops more thrust, because the same conditions of full-on/full-off controlling and inability to accurately assess wind strength and direction from the ground 20 feet down and 60 feet away apply as to the cheapo non-GPS drones.

I’m expecting GPS to solve some of my issues, but have little faith in it’s ability to tick all the boxes for me given my compromised budget. I’m not expecting to be able to fly in much higher winds than the 5mph/10mph gusts I’ve set myself for the P8 at present, but I would hope to be able to to pilot the a/c more steadily and accurately. If I were spending, say, £120, how realistic an expectation is this?

Thank you alll in advance for any helpful comments!

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I know you have set your budget, so this isn’t what you want to hear. But please think about saving up until you have enough for a used DJI. They come up for sale in here quite often and are worth waiting for. I have had, and used, cheaper drones. Including the likes of holy stone, which a couple of people I know have also had. After they used my mini 2 they ditched the holy stone within days and replaced it. The amount of tech and research packed into them is unbelievable for the price ypu can pick them up these days. One in here sold recently for around £150 if I remember correctly. Its maybe worthwhile having a look at the member map to see if we have a kind member in your area that will let you have a shot. You will be amazed at the difference. This is just my opinion of course, bit if you keep buying cheaper drones, you will keep being disappointed, and you’ll keep throwing money after them in your search. Save up, get a used DJI, you really wont regret it.

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It doesn’t, it only knows how high it is above the take off point.

I echo what @DazC says above regarding saving for a 2nd hand DJI.
I have a mini 2 and mini 3 pro which I’m sure I’ll flog at some stage as I don’t fly them anymore and only keep them on hand to let passers-by that are interested in what we’re doing have a quick go (once they’ve got their own flyer ID of course /cough) because they’re the easiest things to fly, regardless of wind on the day.

DJI’s compensation software relies on a a combination of baramoter, gyro, plus IR sensors in addition to the GPS. They charge the most because they know they’re software is much better than competitors from years of experience, and am sure if compared at chip level, they don’t skimp too hard on the actual hardware either, which I doubt is true for those cheaper drones (the gyro being more precise and/or having a higher hertz for example would make a big difference).

I can’t see any footage posted by you on here so I can’t compare what you’re outputting now to what I’d expect from a DJI platform. However, I would definitely expect some improvement. Whether it’s enough of an improvement to justify saving up for one though is of course up to you.
However, I will say, if I fly my Mini’s in high winds (to the point that the DJI app is complaining the wind is too high and it reeeeeally wants to land) you can not see the wind having any effect in the footage; only by looking up at the drone and see it tweak around attempting to keep itself stable without any input from me, can you tell.

Plus IR belly sensors knowing if it’s approaching ground; probably detects ~2m?

I would absolutely try and wait out for a second hand Mini 2. Insane technology, and I reckon you’d be looking at £150 mark (if not less). I’d sell mine, but nice to have one around, and TBH don’t think £150 is enough to compensate (and probably can’t ask for much more for that for a 2nd hand Mini 2, the Mini 4k (effectively a mini 2 is £269 new!)) Buy cheap, buy twice is the saying. You want photos and videos… There is only one option for ease of use, reliability, etc, etc.

Of course if you can make it to the states, they’ll be selling for nothing soon when they’re banned!

I personally don’t know of any “decent” drones for the money you’re talking. Just checked eBay and maybe looking close to £200 for a mini 2 (though that seems to be the flymore kit with 3 batteries, and a bag), but wait, save a little and you’ll find a good deal!

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Regarding 2nd hand DJI…

Keep an eye on this thread, good chance we’ll see 2nd hand DJI prices plummet.

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Agreed, there is simply nothing else on the market that comes anywhere even remotely close for that price bracket.

I moan about DJI’s shady practices all the time but even I can’t fault their hardware :bowing_man:t2:

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I’ve downloaded the manual pdf for the Mini 2SE (having made the more-or-less inevitable decision in the next paragraph), and I have to agree with the advice to buy one; the amount of information provided while you are using the drone regarding battery condition and other warnings, physical prevention of flying in restricted airspace, as well as the previously discussed advantages of gps, then the sophistication pf the camera and gimbal system, puts this drone in a different league to what I amstruggling with at present. And non-Chinglish instructions are a massive relief.

Time has come to accept that this is far and away the best drone for my purposes. I have decided to buy one next pension day and not to worry about the budget; might have to do without some things for a month or so but it is clearly worth the sacrifice.

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Where in the country are you based @TheJohnster ?

Cardiff, South Wales.

As others have suggested a used DJI Mini 2 will give you excellent value for money. It is easy to fly and has an excellent camera.

As a comparison with the latest DJI Mini it’s similar to an eight year old Mondeo compared to the latest Ford offering - not quite as well equipped with the not-always-necessary bells and whistles but perfectly drivable and usable for several years to come.

You could buy another, cheaper drone but find it disappointing and, after a few not very satisfying flights, leave it on the shelf or save a little more and enjoy yourself!

It’s pension day on Wednesday and my decision for better or worse come hell or Huddersfield is to buy a Mini 2 se that day. If I do not win the one I’m looking at on the bay of e, I’ll have a brand new one for £249 from DJI, who are giving away Qomolangma t-shirts with every new drone, presumably celebrating their success in delivering supplies and removing waste from Rongbuk Base Camp with one.

I think I’ve come to the end of the road with the P8, and though it’ll still be fun to zoom around the rec under some approximate control on calm days and bounce it off the walls of the flat it has, in a short time, served it’s purpose and I don’t feel it was money wasted; the previous flyaway Simrex was, though! But I’m not going to ever be happy with anything less than a mini 2 se for serious photography and filming, so I’ve accepted the inevitable. Having already downloaded the manual pdf and the DJI Fly app, it is aready clear what a quantum difference the new drone will make, a completely different ball game. Same ball park, the rec, initially though…

Are you sure? :thinking:

For another £20 quid you could buy a brand new DJI Mini 4K:

Hmm. What advantage does the 4K have over the 2 se? Is it worth foregoing the t-shirt?

4K :wink:

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Mmm, tasty 4K, nomnomnomnomnoms. Nom.

The situation is fluid, and will not be fixed until Wednesday early am when the pension has arrived in my a/c. At that time, I will check the eBay situation and react accordingly, but if that is to no avail, then it’s a brand new 2 se from DJI with a T shirt. One of my auctions is not up until the lunchtime. I’ll post here with whatever I’ve done at about 14.00!

UAV Forecast is good all week, might even be able to fly the P8, but next w/e looks a bit stormy even for a ruffytuffy DJI, and guess when I’ll most likely be wanting to flugspiel with my new toy… If eBay conditions are conducive, I’d obviously rather buy a ‘Fly More’ bundle, but £250 is really pretty much my top limit, in actuality not as a bargaining statement.

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Which would you use more, a branded t-shirt or 4K video? :thinking:

Would it be worth waiting another month and getting the 4K model for £269 instead?

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If you want to be really crafty the Mini 4k is a Mini 2 in disguise :wink:

Good question. I probably wouldn’t wear the video very often but then again you can’t watch a t-shirt on a monitor. Back in the real world, I’ll get whatever I think is the best value for money on Wednesday, but it will be a DJI drone with GPS and a camera. A new mini 2 se would run me to the top of my budget, but it’s a great little drone for the money and I would be reassured by the security of a warranty, not available with eBay purchases. But there would have to be more purchases as i can afford them; spare batteries, carry bag, charger, &c, which makes a 2h ‘fly more bundle’ attractive as well, especially if it’s got a better camera or resolution. We’ll see.

The GD P8 was always a stepping stone/learning experience, but the new drone will be intended to be my last, at least until there are major changes in technology that make it obsolete.