He’s not even read the advice given above!
Here you go, skip straight to page 17
You need to get permission from Land’s End Airport Air Traffic Control to be able to legally fly within their Flight Restriction Zone, shown in red on the Drone Scene and Drone Assist Maps. Any ‘permission’ from DJI does not count, and if you are flying inside the zone without ATC’s knowledge or permission, you are acting criminally and can be arrested plus your drone confiscated and destroyed.
Aircraft TOAL from the Airport will by flying below 400 feet, and you are in significant danger of interfering with their flight paths during the critical taking off or landing process.
Flying low down on the beach sounds ok, as quite a bit of the actual shoreline around Land’s End is outside the airport FRZ, abeit not by much. But don’t fly inside the zone without permission and authority from ATC, even at a low level. The CAA, under whose authority all of your flights within they UK take place, regard your drone as an aircraft and yourself as a pilot, which infers certain legal rights, responsibilities, and obligations which the CAA and the Police can legally enforce. A drone isn’t a toy, and a Mavic isn’t even a sub-250g drone; you can do proper damage with it.

Happy to learn mate
Then please re read this thread from the top, 3 or 4 more times. before you end up another statistic on the news…
Another statistic on the news is another nail in the coffin of our being able to legally fly as freely as we do; Deano’s advice is good! Read the CAA’s Drone Code as well; it’ll make you a better and safer pilot. It’s not about big brother oppression from ‘the man’ and rules made to be broken, it’s sensible advice from an official body which is not perfect but which genuinely has your interests at heart!
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a lot of people seem to have got hot under the collar without knowing the full facts,
I thought i had asked a question to which i would get a simple answer, not be given several pages to trawl through.
I could not (and still dont) understand why on one hand in dji go4 i am being told i am in a no fly zone and on the other i am being told i can apply for permission to fly there which i did and got 2 mins later, surely no fly is exactly that no fly full stop.
And NO, I did not fly by the house, (in the zone) but went down to a private beach attached to the house (outside the zone) and flew there.
Yes i have read the drone code, but it does not cover everything and so i ask questions, some times i do not easily absorb information but i thought this forum was to help and inform people but some people just seem to want to have a pop and put me down, but please dont hurt your ams patting yourselves on the back about how smart you are and how much you help people, everyone starts someware.
Sorry if it has come across that way Bill, but you actually did get a simple answer:

You would need to update the flysafe database. BUT, you will also need to contact the tower for permission to fly as you are smack bang in the middle of Lands End FRZ. Get caught flying in there without permision and you could land in some very hot water. But of course, I am not the drone police, although you might make the 9 o’clock news as their headline!!!
I know you have been a registered member for a wee whiley, but you might want to check out THIS before you attempt to take off?
You were provided with all of the info and links, you obviously only read half and ignored the rest?
But anyway, I am not the drone police. You had a flight, nothing happened, and I do hope you got your pictures ( I mean that sincerely). But please, go back over the rules. Continue to ask us questions, we are honestly here to help you. We don’t want to see you in prison for doing something silly or for someone getting hurt. Most of us here are really passionate about a hobby that is coming under intense scrutiny from all angles, we are just trying to protect what we have and pass the knowledge onto others that are interested so we can all keep flying our drones.
As for your last sentence? Well, I’m going to be a good boy for a change. The original answer I typed would have got me banned.
Please have a read of the whole thread and see where we’re trying to come from, and if you have any more questions just fire away, even PM/DM me or any of the other contributors, we’ll be happy to help (if you want to listen)
DJI are a Chinese company and they don’t care if you break the rules or not, what they do care about is their liability, so they implement the DJI “No Fly Zones” in to their apps so that they can make it look like they are doing their bit to stop you from breaking the law. So all you’re really doing when you gain permission from DJI is removing their liability should anything go wrong. By getting permission from DJI, all you’re actually doing is saying OK DJI. I’m making the decision to fly here you can’t be held accountable.
Now in the UK the CAA are pretty PRO drone but are having their hands tied by our government. Without the CAAs input, I’m pretty sure the government would have just banned hobbyist drone flights all together. So now in the UK the CAA give us “Flight Restriction Zones” Not “No Fly Zones” So they give us the ability to call Air traffic control to apply for permission to fly within a “Flight Restriction Zone” usually they will point you to a website to fill in a form and then they will review the nature of your flight and either grant or deny you permission. Then if they give you permission they will normally give you a phone number to call just before you take off and then call them again once you finish flying. In my experience ATC are normally extremely accommodating where they can be and are extremely pleased that you’ve gone out of your way to seek permission so normally they will accommodate you where possible.


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the website I’ve linked above is your friend here as this has all the official UK Flight Restriction Zones laid out on a map for you and if you click on the zone it has the contact details for the ATC that is in charge of that particular Flight Restriction Zone for you to obtain permission.
I hope this is helpful for you, as stated above nobody is jumping down your throat we’re just trying to educate you so that you don’t get into trouble is all.
Bill, people told you to update the flysafe database ( which you did) They also told you to contact ATC for permission to fly. Up until last year you had to provide such permission to DJI via the flysafe website and indeed , upload confirmation from ATC that you had such permission. What DJI did with the update was place the onus on the flier to get permission to fly in FRZ’s . DJI won’t stop you flying in FRZ’s with or without permission, but it’s highly advisable to get permission before flying in a restricted zone… ATC’s are generally fine about giving permission ( unless you intend to fly very close to an active airfield) They may place certain restrictions on permission such as height etc ( I had permission to fly in East Midlands FRZ last year and was restricted to a height of no more than 30m )
Instead of answering people people individually i will try to do it all here.
Firstly thank you all for the answers, I see that it was all with good intent and I realise that it seems that i was ignoring advice but that was not intended, due to a illness a few years back i am having to relearn a lot of things again, including how to fly and sometimes information will just not “sink in” and has to read and reread.
Liked the reply about DJI’s no fly zones, now i understand the difference and how to go about things the right way (ring ATC), but i do wonder how many other people think that if DJI says it’s o.k then it really is o.k ??
Yes i did get the photos i wanted from the beach, but i did find it strange that one end was out the zone and the other in it, I must have been right on the line.
Thanks Bill

sometimes information will just not “sink in” and has to read and reread.
@Billybones No worries matey, I’m fighting fit, according to my Doc, and I can’t remember sh*t!
That’s what is good about GADC there is always an ongoing thread with the answers you’re after. Good luck with you’re flying.

but i do wonder how many other people think that if DJI says it’s o.k then it really is o.k
Unfortunately when dji first implemented its version of FRZ / NFZ resrictions were not as they are today. So people found DJIs version to be helpful and as such told everyone else about them, then everyone else (who didn’t do their own research) believed them and the likes of “auditors” ( used in the loosest of terms) perpetuated this, so the urban myth became considered true. Luckily for some ( like me who saw blackpool airport wasn’t restrcted) they spotted the flaws and stopped using it as a bible for no fly zones and would only check to see if it would stop you flying where you actually can.
The best tool for information second to none is our own dronescene.co.uk

but i did find it strange that one end was out the zone and the other in it, I must have been right on the line.
Thing is, Billybones, any zone of any sort will have an arbitrary boundary somewhere, and as airport FRZ are circular radius from the airport, the boundary will cut through the geography without any regard for it, unlike the yellow ‘ground hazard’ areas which are usually land boundary footprints. Being right on the line is ok so long as you don’t cross it without permission!
NOTAMs, also sometimes circular if they are for events on the ground, are similarly arbitrary, as are military firing range and prison FRZ.

Up until last year you had to provide such permission to DJI via the flysafe website and indeed , upload confirmation from ATC that you had such permission
True for the UK, but anyone intending on flying in the EU, be aware that the DJI NFZs are still Geolocked and require a flysafe or interactive pass code to unlock the drone before flight. At least this was the case for me flying in Malta this year.