The set penalty for doing so with a drone is the same as doing so with a gramophone - £10 !
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Ok thanks guys that has helped put my mind at rest. I was begining to think that I would not be able to fly anywhere as all the places I want to see are on NT land!
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Of course if you ask the NT themselves, you will get a very different view!
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Assuming you are flying over NT / EH land following caa guidelines and are approached by a member of NT staff and told not to fly, I am not sure how they could do much about it. You do not have to give your personal details to anyone but a police officer (and that is only if they have reasonable grounds for suspicion that you are committing a crime which they have to inform you of) and they cannot seize your property as that is a breach of the law. If the NT rules (right or wrong) are based on civil law then it is outside the duristricion of the police.
I would probably have a polite discussion with them and move on anyway, but certainly refuse to tell them my name etc. If they were rude and intimidating I would almost certainly use my mobile to film them, especially if I was on public land.
It’s criminal law, as stated earlier in this thread, but yes, I can’t see the police getting involved.
A reminder for anyone flying using the DJI GO4 app, it can record local device audio, which could be useful.
Not sure if DJI GO3, DJI Fly, Litchi apps can also do that? 
Not on DJIFLY (with the mini anyway)
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Lots of people use screen recorders too- which also records local audio
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Quick question with a simple yes or no answer if possible.
If I’m on a lay-by maintained by the council highways dept’ but in national trust area, can I launch/land either from my hand or from the lay-by?
Before people start to say - I know NT don’t allow to Launch or Land on their property.
Layby on a road? I’d say not. Way too close to passing vehicles.
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It’s a minor road with maybe 12 cars a day going to local homes. Hand launch tbh lol
If a tree falls in the forest …
“A friend” suggests that if the drone police aren’t around to observe and no member of the public is inconvenienced the flight probably never took place … 
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What flight? I only stopped there for a look around anyway 
Still curious mind if your standing on NT open access area or a ‘CROW’ path & hand launch etc are you breaching their no take of or land Byelaws?
Short version 'cos I’m on my mobile:
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Drone code yadda yadda.
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If it’s a public highway you are, by definition, not trespassing, you have the right to pass along it and to stop for a bit. Probably quite a long bit.
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It’s illegal to cause a nuisance, annoyance or disturbance to people on the NT land, although not clear if this applies if you are not standing on their land.
Sorry to be a damp squib…
A) NT drone policy at Our policy on drone use | National Trust.
B) Taking off/landing is but one part of the equation…what about ‘flying over’ part ? Unless you were planning to just fly up & down the lay-by or road 
I guess you actually intend to then fly over NT property…?
C) Unfortunately sounds like a ‘no’ to me ?
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Moved today’s posts from the “National Trust - take off & land” thread over to this NT/EH catchall thread since the same old chestnuts are sure to be repeated.
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We therefore do not allow drone flying from or over National Trust land.
Look, they can write this crap on their website as much as they like, but you don’t need their permission to fly over their land.
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Liken it to the scenario of me tipping up in your front garden and trying to take off.
Yes you are within your rights to stop me, however you cannot stop me flying over your house taking off from the public right of way outside, all within the confines of the Drone Code of course.
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It’s too grey and area is that lot Few non-commercial users have the correct training or permission to operate drones I have training
pilots generally do not have the correct insurances to compensate the Trust for remedial actions hmm another blanket statement, I have insurance.
Many drones have cameras attached and these could infringe data protection laws (filming people without permission) and potentially could contravene National Trust rules on photography and filming.
We agree to Data Protection Act via the CAA in order to get our licence plus as a photographer in a previous incarnation the copyright act which may loosely apply, wouldn’t unless it was a building or art installation, not a vista or wall. Anyway even then for a building the copyright lies with the architect unless signed over like happens in Spain & parts of france. A sculpture would be with the artist etc.
However - Pay admission & that’s different as that would be covered by contractual law & T’s & C’s can create a breach of contract. Blah blah
So yes we’ll assume I didn’t annoy anyone AND Didn’t fly over closed access land AND wasn’t in an AONB or nature reserve. I was following a wall & dolly zooming up from behind a tree to expose a vista looking down onto the lake.
Has anyone ACTUALLY been prosecuted under their byelaws? They’re far to vague/assumptive to be enforceable.
I would like to think the CAA rules everything we do setting by the ANO & the drone code simple as that code is.
Same as HM Government sets the Road Traffic Act & the Highway Code.
Training & insurance are required by the RTA & it will be a requirement for ALL pilots too once they phase out ‘recreational’ differences & the A1.2,3, CoC & GVA rules come into effect.
I’d imagine the majority on here are insured.
I’m legally able to drive my vehicles through the NT areas & green roads should I so wish.
There’s to many assumptions & flaws in their bylaws to close the airspace with a blanket statement that they state but as I said that’s assuming I flew over their land.
Feeling my inner ‘Victor Meldrew’ tonight. Sorry to rattle out my opinions.
Don’t judge me, I’m not here for that.
Penalties for Infringement of Byelaws
- Every person who shall offend against any, of the foregoing Byelaws shall be
liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding £20 and in the case of a
continuing offence to a further fine not exceeding £2 for each day during which the
offence continues, or such other maximum as may be specified from time to time by
any Act of Parliament enacted after the date hereof. - The Byelaws which were made by the National Trust on the 15th July 1955 and
were confirmed by the Secretary of State on the 18th October 1955 shall be and are
hereby repealed.
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