New EASA drone rules - 1 July 2020 - Discussion

I disagree with that. Whilst I would concede that Mass is not the same as weight as weight is the measure of the force on an object caused by a gravitational field. In other words, it is how hard gravity pulls on an object and should really be measured in Newtons not Grams or KG, whereas Mass is the measurement of the matter that an object contains and this remains a constant. A good example would be a 100kg block of concrete weighed on Earth would be 100kg or 980.67 Newton’s whereas weighed on the moon it would weigh 16.5kg or 161.81 Newton’s but in either case the mass would not change.

Therefore it follows that MTOM is a theoretical or perhaps manufacturer stated maximum mass at take off. Why would they need to state a “maximum” as the measurement parameter. Better surely to stick with the unladen bare bones mass figure but then require a move to a different category when / if you increase that figure for any reason.

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You can’t really mix mass and weight they are two different things.

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Ha! think that should have read no intentional flight over uninvolved people

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The maximum takeoff mass ( MTOM ), often referred to as maximum takeoff weight (MTOW), of an aircraft is a value defined by the aircraft manufacturer. MTOW is usually specified in units of kilograms or pounds.

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What I’m now asking myself is are the CAA going to demand manufacturers around the world to publish MTOM figures for all their craft? Legacy that is!

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In CAP1789 Annex C it says no intentional flight over uninvolved persons. That table looks similar to Annex C

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Yes, it is an FAA, EASA and CAA requirement that all aircraft manned or unmanned must have a published MTOM

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Defined in KGs or pounds only because folk understand that better than Newton’s.

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I’m not absolutely sure where I got that from have a camera phone full of them now :joy: do wish people would title & date & ‘own’ Their material :thinking:

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DJI only state “Take Off Weight” for the Mini.

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Nope because when we plan the MTOW we also calculate fuel as weight to ensure the aircraft is within operational limits

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That’s why I’m a bit nervous regarding my Mavic Air so opened a Topic asking the question where do you get MTOM from

@tchambers

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In which case the mini with its fuel (battery) is 249g (weight) and working on the assumption that you fly outdoors with the kit straight out of the box with no accessories that is surely what we should work with? If you decide to add legs, lights, GoPro etc then you would have to look at a different category.

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From you beloved doc’s :wink:

You could argue MTOM should be calculated without the battery in but that might be pushing it :blush:

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Same Mavic Air

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Thanks for the flow chart, that’s really helpful and clear.

So if I want to fly “close” to people (A2), or over uninvolved people, I need to take the ctoc.

If there might be people in the area, I need to take the online course. (A1)

Can you clarify the rules about how close to buildings we can fly, as it seems to be missing from everything except A3.

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Courtesy of @tchambers

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Yes A2 CofC (brand new course only just starting to come in now) cost about £250 and prove practical competence by self cert or basic training with official training company that could be £200 also Before all that you need to be registered with DEMARES (CAA)

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You couldn’t make it up could you.

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https://youtu.be/n3cUPFcTPVM

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