Red Kites / Wind

So a month or so in and just went out to fly, all be it was rushed and had 75% battery. I had intended to grab some footage for a video idea I have, and it started ok but I gave up in the end. I didn’t think it was that windy but the drone popped up a warning saying too windy. It still flew though. However battery was under pressure and dropped super fast.

I saw a red kite (have a few here and see them regularly) so wondered how feasible it would be to take off and get high then film above it. But then thought I have no idea how these birds would react and wanted to check out the experience first. Do they attack it? I would be a fair bit above it in theory but I wasn’t prepared to be one of the drone fail videos on Youtube hence the question.

Also I continually cock up footage by getting out of synch with when the drone is recording or not. As per today, I have gone to either start or end a segment but it hasn’t actioned it. Meaning all the footage I wanted to get was not recorded, and all the footage of me in between getting the shots was. This seems to happen all the time. I know that when you switch from photo / video it needs a further press to action it but is this a common issue?

On the plus side used my new landing pad in the woods. I need more batteries now though, one just isn’t enough and the drone starts to RTH at 20%.

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Record everything

Fix it in the edit

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… Red Kites can be quite aggressive especially in the nesting season. Height is your best friend - if they take an interest just go straight up and get above them and you should be relatively safe :+1: :+1: :+1:

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Thanks - that’s interesting. I thought I was going to be shot down in flames for even suggesting it, but I reckon it is do-able. They don’t circle very high and I think I could get some footage from above.

There are a few red kites around near the b&b I stay in down in Co. Carlow. They’ve showed a passing interest in my drones (Mavic 2 and Mini 3 Pro) but never got really close. Swifts tend to come a lot closer but again, no attempt to attack. I’d say you should be ok except if they were nesting. Seagulls on the other hand, they’re a pain☹️.

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As most of you know, me and seagulls have history, but they’re unpredictable. Except for that one occasion, they have been present for most of my flights and not taken any notice at all of the whirly whizzy thing, From what I’m told, Oystercatchers are predictable; they will attack by default, and mob-handed.

Red Kites are big raptors easily capable of destroying a hobby drone, and my instinct would be to fly away from them rather than trying to film them, but it should be possible to film them in flight. You’d need a finger hovering on the left stick ready to push it forward for a fast escape climb just in case, though.

I was flying Caerphilly Castle recently, not bothered by the large number of gulls present but there were plenty of geese on the moat and the surrounding greens as well. I was a little concerned about being attacked on the ground; they can be pretty ferocious on the ground, as can swans, but none of them was interested. Felt safe enough once I was airborne; they need a lot of room to take off and can’t climb especially quickly, nor are they especially manoeverable, best at flying in straight lines in formation like bombers.

Nesting season is a different kettle of fish, because the birds are more aware of anything they might interpret as a threat either to their territory or the egge/chicke, and nobody wants to upset the raising of the chicks (unless they’re seagull chicks, in which case I favour napalm, or Agent Orange), A hovering drone even quite high up could look to groundnesters like skylarks or curlews like a Kestrel looking for breakfast, and if the parents stay on the nest the chicks’ll go hungry. There are some winter migratory feeding grounds I’d stay clear of as well. The birds have been there since the end of the Cretaceous, and IMHO have grandad rights…

Wind should be fairly predictable. Your drone is rated for a ‘wind level’, which is the Beaufort Force it can handle, and should not be flown in winds in excess of the rating; you might want to factor in a safety margin. My new Mini4K is rated for ‘level 5’, which equates to a wind speed of about 24mph, or 37kph, so I tend not to fly in forecast winds of more than 20mph. Bear in mind that wind speeds will increase with height, and may be higher than forecast in locations where it is funnelled between hills or buildings. High wind warnings at high altitudes can usually be dealt with by flying lower, but if you get them at lower altitudes it’s probably best to land and call it a day.

If it’s windy, it’s good sense to fly into the wind during the early stages of the flight, so that when you are coming home and the battery is getting low the wind is behind you and helping. If you are fighting the wind, battery life and flying performance will be affected, and you’ll have to make allowances for this.

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@Pirbright_Drone, John’s info and advice is spot on here, but there is evidence that the DJI mini series of drones are more capable than the DJI ‘Strong Wind’ Warning’ and advice indicates.

I, and many others, have flown my mini DJI drones from mini2 to the mini4Pro in winds upto 36ish+ mph and have been amazed at how the wee beasties have performed. The limiting factor at the time of most of these events, for me, have been how the gimbal is affected and stalling during a parallax move ie it reaches its maximum range of movement causing the footage to jerk like crazy and doesn’t move, respectively.

The former is a nuisance, and the latter factor a reason why @TheJohnster Johns advice is a sound strategy, by flying into the wind in order for it to assist the return flight if it proves too much for the little blighter! :wink::laughing:

See my video here for an example:

If you do TOAL in strong winds, make sure you’re upwind of the drone on takeoff, especially if hand launching, as it will drift until it establishes its GPS positioning, and a face full of rotor blades comes quite sharp! :sunglasses::nerd_face:

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I took my Mini 4 Pro out in the strong winds over the weekend as a test. Handled it very well! Was steady 25 gusting 45 MPH. The motors were going insane fighting the wind, but she held in there!

Good to know what she can handle.

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We have lots of Red Kites where I live. You will often see 10+ in the air at once. They seem to like carrion on the ground so unlikely to target a drone as food.
There are lots of fights between the Kites and Crows/Rooks/Ravens who are also in the area, generally protecting their young.
They are interesting to watch. The fighting birds will never actually touch. It is all about intimidation. Both know that an actual crash will probably cause the death of both of them as they are such big birds.
It is more than likely that they will treat your drone in a similar manner. In the end the Kites are more interested in finding food. Give them space to do what they want and you may be lucky to get some great footage. They are amazing birds.

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Take it from me, they won’t hesitate to have a go… They are also harder to spot in flight and are far more manoeuvrable than Gulls. It’s not uncommon for flocks of these to be quite a distance off shore as well but closer to it, you’ll hear them before you see them if they happen to be nearby you.

My strong and well practiced advise, if you encounter them - switch to sports mode and get away ASAP, especially if there’s flock of them because they will form into groups and will advance on your drone.

A great lesson in bird filming and wind flying - thanks!

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Its is also nice to actually have a thread get posted and not locked /binned - as a user and moderator of some other national forums I have to say I have found it quite disappointing when posting up things of specific detail to generate conversation and replies, only for it to be binned and told “do a search on the forum”. For forums to grow and evolve, conversation should be stimulated and this thread is a good example of that. The search function does not cover every eventuality and the software cannot pick up the context or detail of every post, so I don’t find it particularly intuitive.

I have had around 3 posts binned since starting here and as such have found myself hesitant to log on and start conversation as a result as I don’t feel that new posts are welcomed.

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Must be a tough balancing act for the mods. I’ve just had a question similarly binned and was told to use the search function as the subject had been extensively covered. I had used the search finction and, as the mods said, the subject had been well covered, but not the specific point of my question, which remains unanswered; it’s not a perfect world.

The mods have to stamp on repeated new topics covering the same ground or the forum would be clogged up with them, but we only see this from our individual pov; there are 2 sides…

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I totally sympathise with the above, however there will be newbie posters asking silly questions, versus those of us who clearly contribute and offer up a bit more than “what drone do I buy” type threads. I have been using a manner of forums for the last 20 years and none of those had been as “cut and shut”. I wonder how many members have joined and given up posting faced with the same thing!

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This was a clench moment for sure… This was flying FPV and I tilted back and away when I saw it coming so I could keep my distance and keep it in frame, just in case. The video is cropped in pretty severely so it’s a little farther away than it looks. It appeared pretty chilled about my appearance in its vicinity! Still… made me hold my breath for a sec. I then buggered off pretty sharpish tbh!

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It was the photo editor post I was most disappointed about… (still not got round to finding one). The others I got the point of deleting. The drone drills did seems pointless in hindsight, I posted after a couple of sherbets and thought better of it.

Im still here but wanted to make the point.

Interesting vids thx, I’ll def be getting some kite action soon.

Had some practice today with a Seagull, that I admit I did rile to start flying as it was sat on the grass peacefully, I decided I wanted the practice so I DJI’d it into movement. Managed to use it as bait to practice some bird following. Didn’t bother 4K uploading as its short. Might do this again and try and get closer, or directly above next time.

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