VLOS the new regulations... No more 500m

The photo in the link to the CAA website of a drone overtaking airliner at over 600mph has been taken down or posted in different location. …

Civil Aviation Authority

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The CAA web site has had a significant restructure of its content and site navigation.

Where possible, the bookmarks that you may have to the site have been retained, but inevitably there will be some changes that have resulted in the removal or relocation of some of the pages. The new site structure provides greater opportunities to produce and publish content that is more effective for the future.

To locate the information you require, please go to http://www.caa.co.uk and use either the menus or the ‘Search’

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The CAA document that contains the image on page 24 is still in place:

https://publicapps.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAA%20RPAS%20Safety%20Reporting%20Project%20(CAP2356).pdf

I get this when I follow that link
https://publicapps.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAA%20RPAS%20Safety%20Reporting%20Project%20(CAP2356).pdf

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That’s so weird.
I just clicked on the automated email they sent me after I complained, and it took me to the file. I then copied the link, and posted it here … but I have the same issue with the link here.
I’ll have another look in the morning on my laptop!

Same here

I think my Mac must have a cached copy of the file, so if I click on the link on my Mac, the document pops up. If I send the link to my iPad, I get the failure message you mention.

I have searched the CAA site for CAP2365, and the search returns "no suggestions available’. I hope that this is a sign they are responding to the criticisms and that they now recogniser that the photoshopped image was in fact painting an entirely negative image of what appears to be a very safe recreational pastime.

OK,a very simple question, can you still fly at night… if so, how… if you can no longer rely on navigation lights, landing lights, strobe lights or telemetry back to the controller using GPS… ?

For me, unless you eat lots of carrots the answer is no, there is no mention about night flying now being banned in the regs, clearly the person who put forward this ridiculous new regulation had no idea what they were talking about, people like Calum at the CAA are now trying to cover up for him… or her…

This is just one simple consequence of the new regulations, there are plenty more but this is the simplest one to dwell on…

New Regs… You must be able to see your drone or model aircraft clearly enough that you can tell which way it’s facing. This is so that you can steer and control it safely, even if something happens unexpectedly.

You must be able to see it without using:
binoculars
a telephoto lens
electronic viewing equipment, such as a smart phone, tablet or video goggles
Cheers

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One thing that Callum specifically highlighted was that the laws have not changed, merely the guidance that CAA “wrap around” the laws to make them clearer.
If the laws have not changed, we have all been doing things wrong before, or we are doing it now, but it can’t be both.
As far as I’m concerned, keep calm and carry on!

I agree the law has not changed, but the consequence of the clarification, which was a very clever move by the CAA, does mean in essence the law has changed and yes, were we all flying illegally before… not I think, you are now if you just keep calm and carry on, which of course I will do. There are several other consequences of this which will come to light soon but for now I’ll stick to the night flying legally, so is it yes or no… ha-ha… Cheers

Therefore, as I see it, the CAA is saying VFR only and no IFR (instrument flight rules) for UAVs. Unless the controller screen, phone or tablet is allowed we will certainly at one time or another breech the spirit of the law. IMO

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Agreed, more carrots needed… cant even use my night goggles… :innocent:

Haven’t they always said that though ?

Item 15 :wink:

https://www.ageas.co.uk/solved/road-safety/driving-laws-you-may-have-broken-without-even-knowing/

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Interestingly, when RPAS report was mentioned, Shaun pointed out that the CAA were assuming quite a lot. The fact that they think accidents are under-reported ( with no actual facts to back that up ) For instance, if you crash your Mavic into a tree in the local park, and only the Mavic and your pride/ wallet is hurt, is there the need to report it as an incident / accident to the CAA? I personally think not ( but obviously the CAA think it should be )

Yep.
But there are a large number of people think “VFR” would count as staring at a narrow, low resolution, small field of view on a 6" phone screen when in reality it means constant scanning in all directions and full spacial awareness.

Its an interesting point above about night flying though. Maybe the rule of unintended consequences.
If only DJI fitted proper nav lights…

This is where the Flytron lights come in handy :joy: see the drone better at night then during some daytime situations

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Other drone manufacturers are available , and guys were building flying machines long before DJI introduced their toys

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If DJI actually used standard aviation format nav lights (ie port, starboard and beacon with the correct angle) instead of its own random flashing ones then determining orientation from a distance or at night would be much, much easier.

And without having to add bulky 3rd party addons that affect handling and performance.

This is how I see it from that second video group discussion where Callum backtracked. If you watch the original from a week earlier, just with Shaun, he’s quite adamant about certain things.
So, I for one will be carrying on regardless. :grin:. I’ll still ‘follow the rules’, and still do my own risk assessment, if I feel like I’m not good to go then it’s a no go, if it looks good I’ll make the flight.
@Malcy, if you’ve been making night flights already and are confident and know the rules just carry on what your doing.

I disagree.

Stick two different coloured LEDs on a drone that’s only six or eight inches wide, send it 50m up and 80m away, all you’re going to see is a single blurry coloured blob in the sky.

Have you been attaching a D cell Maglite in the past or something? :smiley:

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