What would it take to fly anywhere?

I suspect, like many who haven’t actually taken the plunge, I’ve struggled to fully internalise the rules. Mainly because I fear the restrictions mean that to stay within the rules I’d basically not really use a drone. Especially since the relaxed restrictions for sub-249g drones is changing.

My most common use-case would be: out and about in my car or on my motorbike, and I see something where I’d like a still image from a 100m tripod. So I get out the drone, throw it up, compose and take the shot, then bring it back down pack it away, and move on. I want it to not matter if there are people or buildings around (sometimes I want the buildings or people in the picture!) so I’m prepared to take a proper test if necessary that such things are no longer dealbreakers.

I would get something somewhere between a DJI Mini 3/4, up to a Mavic Pro. I’m happy if it takes some money, some studying, and a day-trip for an in-person test, such that I can basically fly where I like.

Even 50m is a long way in a public place, so if there is a way to prove that I intend to be safe and take necessary precautions in such situations, I’ll totally do that.

Any advice?

2 Likes

That’s not possible in the UK, there are far too many airspace restrictions in place, to the point where some members can’t even fly a tiny drone in their back garden.

There’s some useful info on this specific page:

Keep your wallet firmly closed until you’ve read and understood the entire Drone and Model Aircraft code :blush:

3 Likes

Ahh whoops - perhaps I was being flippant about “basically where I like”. Of course I know about restricted airspace etc. I did do the online test a couple of years ago to obtain a flyer ID. That’s where I learned that the restrictions at that level remove all the interest in drones for me. If there was a way to level up to remove some of those restrictions (again, restricted airspace etc notwithstanding) I’d be up for it.

It’s really the things about buildings and people. There must be people who can legally fly near buildings (e.g. for inspections or videography etc) and near people. I’ve no desire to fly over the crowds at Glastonbury or anything, but it’s stupid to have to land your drone because one dog walker happened to walk into the 100m radius field you’re in and becomes an “uninvolved person”.

1 Like

Imho maybe look at DJI Air 3S and do your A2 CoC, then keep at 50m until January when the restrictions are, at the moment, set to be significant reduced. That’s what I did :+1:

3 Likes

This might be of use @neilbarnwell

It allows you to enter a bunch of possible flight scenarios such as drone model / weight, some distances from people and whether (as @medwsc suggests) you have the A2 certification or not.

Run a few scenarios through it as it should answer most of your questions without you having to buy a drone :slight_smile:

Also if it helps, the gold members of Grey Arrows Drone Club can get their A2 CofC training and certification for just £49 quid all in :grin:

2 Likes

In my life I have never known relaxation of restrictions, tightening yes.

When I was younger I could hop on a 250 cc motorcycle and drive on a provisional licence, I could buy alcohol pretty much anywhere without showing id to prove I was over 21. I could if I wished drive under the affluence of incohol, without a seat belt. Etc etc.

1 Like

Hi @neilbarnwell there, it looks as though you’re quite new here :wave:t2:

Why not nip over to the Introductions page, and say hello properly and tell us a bit about yourself. :+1:t2:

Personally Neil, I think you’re over thinking it a bit.
I’m pretty new to drones, having owned a Flip for a few months, but haven’t really had any problems with people or buildings.

I just don’t take the mick. Find a quiet spot to launch, send it up vertically quickly and once over about 50m height, the thing is pretty unobtrusive so I don’t get any grief.

If I’m after a particular building, eg heritage site, I launch to one side or behind, rather than plonk myself right in front, and preferably when the building is closed.

Have had no trouble.

1 Like

Hi @Tinny, it looks as though you’re quite new here :wave:t2:

Why not nip over to the Introductions page, and say hello properly and tell us a bit about yourself. :+1:t2:

I’ll give you my opinion, as someone who recently bought a Mini 3. I’ve been buying a drone for 10 years, but just couldn’t quite bring myself to do it. In fairness, there were lots of other hobbies to consider, like a car, another car, metal detecting, photography, and yet another car :smiley:
But seriously, when I did finally decide, after all my research, reading up, considering blah blah, I ended up buying a Mini 3, because it came at a good price (Fly more kit was sub £500). Ok it doesn’t have all the bells and whistles that the Mini 4 Pro has, but it’d take a real pixel peeper to see the difference between the 12MP images from the Mini 3 and the 48MP from the Mini 4 Pro.

I thought the Mini 3, at this price was a good place to start. If I enjoy it, and want to expand into something else, I can. Most likely, if I was to expand, I would want to jump to a drone with a bigger camera sensor, perhaps the Air 3S.

To be perfectly honest, the rules around drones remind me a bit of metal detecting rules, at least in Northern Ireland. Metal detecting is not against the law in Northern ireland, but it is frowned upon by the authorities, and they go out of their way to make life difficult for you. The rules are a bit vague, and open to interpretation. I seen a case where the Dept for Communities pressed hard to prosecute three guys for searching for treasure, which is contrary to the law; in fact searching for anything over 300 years old is technically against the law too. In their case, a farmer lost his wedding ring, and his wife had passed away. He advertised, asking if someone could help find it on his 80 acre farm. Whilst there, the three friends, stumbled upon a coin hoard; a mixture of coins intentionally deposted in the ground, ranging in date from the mid 16th century to the mid 17th century. The sort of thing a metal detectorist can only dream of. They followed the legislation to a ‘T’, and reported the find to the Dept of Communities. The Dept then tried to have them prosecuted, because they argued that these guys knew the farmer’s land was likely to hold treasure, and said that was why they volunteered. In reality, that had nothing to do with it. The case never made it to court, but it left a sour taste with the three pals, and created issues for the hobby as a whole.

A while later, the Dept tried to prosecute members of a club, who had sought permission from the landowner of an area in the estate of a historic castle; the estate covered c. 350 hectares. The club had researched their event and done their best to avoid any known archaeological features. It transpired that the Dept’s reason was that the club was within 200 yards of a scheduled site. In actual fact they weren’t; they were 210 yards away from a medieval church, which wasn’t scheduled, and nearly 350 yards from the (actual) scheduled site. The Dept done everything they could to shut the club down.

I don’t think that would even happen in Great Britain. Going by what I read about the Portable Antiquities Scheme, detectorists are obviously advised to stay away from known sites, but if anything new is reported, they actually support the finder. It certainly would put you off metal detecting here. Mind you, the guys I’ve seen breaking the law and detecting scheduled sites doesn’t help the hobby.

Getting back to drones, I thought about all the rules and regulations, where I could and couldn’t fly, and certainly here (in N Ireland) we have a lot of tourism sites, a lot of ARZ’s, lots of restricted places, but nowhere near as many as the Republic of Ireland. Good grief, I’m surprised people are allowed to live down south :laughing:

However, if you really sat down and thought about all the places you couldn’t fly, you’d never buy a drone. Instead, I came up with a plan of what I was going to do with the drone - in my case, with my interest in local history, I plan to visit historic sites (when people aren’t around) and take videos and images of them. I’ll add that media to a GIS map I’ve made identifying all of the sites (and if they’re suitable I can add them to the flyers map here too). I’ve around 990 sites in my council area alone, so I’m not going to run out of things to film anytime soon.

So my advice is - 1. Consider how you’re going to use your drone 2. Research which drone suits you, and your pocket best, and then 3. Go and buy the drone, and have fun flying it. I did that, eventually, and now I’m not looking back. It has extended the hobby I had, and taken it in different directions. My only regret was not making my mind up sooner.

3 Likes

One of the reasons I bought a sub-250g drone was the relative lack of restrictions regarding locations and situations I could TOAL & fly in. I use a local recreation ground for practice flying and trying things out, and this is marked as a ground hazard on Drone Scene mapping. There is therefore no restriction on flying there so long as you are within the CAA drone code rules; the ground hazard entry says 'public park where people are liable to gather in crowds!

Well, yes, on Saturday mornings when the local league footy/rugby is in progress and spectators are grouped on the sidelines, and on hot summer evenings when the students overrun the place with disposable barbecues. But at other times it is quiet and empty enough to fly, there is room for everybody. It’s common sense not to buzz people or their dogs, and not to hang about at low level filiming groups of children that aren’t yours, but like Tinny says, once you’re over 50’ most people are not aware that you are there in the first place!

Earlier this evening I flew Radyr Wier, in a popular country park to the north of Cardiff. TOALed from a picnic table and there were a group of elderly people (says 73-year-old oldest swinger in town Johnster) on a bench about 30 feet away from me, putting the world to rights. I took off and went up about 20’, then moved out over the river to clear the trees, then got on with my filming; as far as I could tell none of them noticed my noisy drone… Couple of passers-by did and one or two stopped and asked questions; this does not bother me! Then, for landing, I came down to about 20’ again and moved over the picnic site, and landed on the table I took off from, again to no apparent reaction from the oldies!

So I did my flight, within the Drone Code and without causing any annoyance or inconvenience to anyone, a sensible approach. The riverbank is an SSSI and the railway on the other bank is a ground hazard with overhead 25kv wires to keep well away from, but the ‘take off and gain height asap’ and ‘stay high until you are ready to land’ approach seems to work with you making very little if any impact on your surroundings. I’ve been flying for over a year now and have perhaps been lucky in that I have encountered no negative reaction from members of the public, who, so far at least, if they are bothered at all, are interested and want to know more about the drone. As I say, I don’t mind this and view it as an opportunity to be an ambassador for the hobby, which certainly needs it in some quarters; I think I might have even recruited a few converts to the cause! The zoom feature allows close-ups without being dangerously close, and kiddies with parents love if when they can see themselves on the screen to ‘wave at Mr.Drone!’. Perhaps I’ve been lucky but perhaps it’s also down to a sensible and non-confrontational approach that respects peoples’ boundaries and avoids dodgy practices.

And I find this sort of flying to be relaxing and enjoyable! I get a bit stressed if I’m low enough to hit anything…

3 Likes