New member - Liphook. Not flying yet

Hi

I’ve played with toy quadcopters and helicopters in the past. Many years ago The ones you see in Red5 being flown around in store with expert control by the staff… And you take home and try and they shoot up into the ceiling. Or you try outside in the garden and they shoot off into a tree… So I never really had fun with those.

I was shopping recently and saw a load of modern drones in the £40-£200 range. They looked more involved than the £20 toys. Staff confirmed that they were easier to control than those tiny ones, and have details on the CAA stuff.

I’m interested in getting into this. No real goal other than to have some fun. Did a training course a couple of years ago which ended with a group photo from a drone which looked cool. Possibly try to get some pictures of outdoor training sessions from on high rather than phone pictures. Who knows.

As I understand it, the really cheap ones are terrible for beginners as they are cheap and nasty. But on the other hand, a good one is a fair price and if it isn’t as fun as first thought that’s quite a spend. I’ve seen advice here to get DJI, but those seem to be quite a high entry price?

Are there any recommendations for a good introductory drone? Something that is good enough to not immediately put you off, but cheap enough to not be a huge concern? (Are things like the red5 titan any good or something to run away from? I see one question here about them with no real answer, and nothing useful in reviews)

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Hi there @PRHE and welcome to the GADC

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I, too, started off with cheapo drones, the £40-£50 sort, and found them unflyable. They suffered from to insurmountable problems, firstly, they could not be made to hover in a specific location without drifting, even in calm conditions, and secondly, the controls were not graduated, so any input was full power or nothing, so they were often too fast to control properly. I was advised here to buy a DJI drone and have not regretted taking that advice!

To be flown properly (in my opinion) a drone needs to at least have GPS positioning and graduated control sticks. GPS is more accurate the more satellites are ‘visible’ above the horizon, which of course depends on height but the number varies anyway as they are in differnt orbits. It can be predicted, though. GPS satellites can pinpoint your drone’s postion very accurately in 3 dimensions and in real time, and the inertia unit inside the drone uses feedback circuitry to hold the drone in a given position; similar feedback circuitry enables the gimbal to hold the camera very steadily; it’s like having a flying tripod!

Graduated stick controls allow a finesse of movement that means that you can fly the drone very accurately to any desired position, and this can be done at very slow speed if you like. I would reccommend that any drone you buy has these two features at the very least! Avoid drones that have virtual stick control on phone screen; it does not have the required finesse for accurate positioning.

Of course, you get what you pay for. A Mankind Red5 drone with the above features costs as much as an entry level DJI Mini, but I would contend that the DJI is better value even without knowing if it flies better than the Red5 (though I’m willing to bet that it does!). DJI is equalled in value in my view by drones from Potensic and a few other companies that retail at similar prices, but DJI has the advantage of their ‘Care Refresh’ replacement system for crashes caused by faults, and while I usuallly think these sorts of extended warranty deals are a scam, in this case it is good value and worth the extra cost.

Other features which I think are worth having are 3-axis gimbal, which will cope with almost any conditions the drone will fly in and keep the camera level and steady, and RTH (Return To Home point), which on my drone can be triggered by a button on the RC, or automatically if the drone senses that the battery is low before it becomes too low to make the return, and by the drone having lost signal from the RC; it will retrace it’s route using GPS until signal is restored, and hover until you instruct it further.

Also, automatic landing, where the the drone senses the proximity of the ground and slows to a gentle landing even if you have the left stick fully down, and in the case of RTH and other autonomous landings. Most drones use WiFi signal between the RC and the aircraft, which is basically line of sight, subject to interference from other WiFi signals (can be a problem in urban environments) and only effective over a fairly short distance, but DJI use their proprietary ‘Occusync’ system, which is considerably more robust and long-range, well capable of controlling the drone at the full 400’ height allowed by the CAA, and as far as I can see the drone in accordance with the CAA’s requirement that the pilot should have visual line of sight at all times, meaning being able to actually see the drone, not simply having an uninterrupted line of sight to an object too far away to make out!

Learn from my mistake and don’t be tempted to buy cheap drones from Amazon or Temu; trust me, they’re uncontrollable rubbish and, to my mind, dangerous.

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Have a look at the DJI Neo, their cheapest drone. Easy to fly, acceptable picture quality. If you can , go for the fly more combo where you get a couple of extra batteries (definitely needed) and the remote controller that connects to your phone.

If you do get a “none toy drone”, you’ll also need to acquire an operator & flyer id in order to fly legally, and check local airspace restrictions.

Oh! And Hi from sunny Blackpool.

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Thanks, that’s been helpful. I’ll have a look at the options for the Neo.

I’m remembering all the fun with the trim controls on the toy one as well! Go up, flips to the left. Adjust ever so slightly, flips just as far to the right.

I have already gone to the CAA and looked at the Drone Code. I registered for a flyer ID, but haven’t yet got an Operator ID - if/when I buy I drone I’ll pay out for that, no point paying for it until then.

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Hi Paul @PRHE and welcome to GADC :+1: :+1:

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Hi Paul @PRHE - welcome to GADC :+1: :+1: :+1:

As @Seadog has already recommended - you can’t go far wrong with a DJI Neo - very cheap for what you get with the ability to be controlled in a number of different ways so it can adapt to your needs/budget as you gain more experience. Easy to cary in a pocket so you make more use of it.

Check out some YouTube vids on it and don’t forget to use the search function on this forum - loads of info already logged :+1:

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Welcome @PRHE :waving_hand:, maybe take a look at the DJI Neo, as others have mentioned. Good entry point and lots of fun. Just get an Operator ID if taking it anywhere, that’s very easy to do btw.

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Welcome to GADC Paul @PRHE

I agree with the others, reference the Neo.

It’s one of my most frequently flown drones.

If you do go ahead and get one, I’d recommend getting Care Refresh for it. £32.00 for 2 years insurance. I recently crashed mine, resulting in damage and it cost my a £16.00 excess payment for a replacement, which was turned around in 48hrs.

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Hi Paul, welcome from the Black Country.
Ditto for everything everybody’s said about the Neo, but if you want a “proper” drone, go for something like the Mini 4K for about £250, that should get you going!

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@foley and I were in Liphook at the weekend for our nephews Christening. My Brother and Sister in law live there. Lovely place.

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Hi Paul
Welcome from Newcastle upon Tyne!
I was rather similar spending ages trying to decide and I see there’s some great advice already from guys with much more experience than me. I ended up with a Mini 4 Pro and it’s been much better than I ever expected but the 3 is a steal from DJI at the moment.
And if you don’t enjoy the resale values aren’t too bad!
Good luck.

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The mini 4k fly more combo going for £400 at present, close to what I paid for my mini 2se last Aug, or drone 1 battery & controller (you’ll need a phone), £269. Batteries come in at £50 a piece, charging hub c£40. Spare props £11 (you get all this plus a little bag to carry it in with the fly more combo). You’ll also need a good fast micro ssd card c £15. And has been recommended the care n refresh “insurance” package could be added.

The Neo fly more combo c£300. Bare drone c£170 (has automated flying modes, or can just about, be controlled by your smart phone, with limitations).

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Welcome to the group.

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Welcome.

I often cruise past Liphook driving along the A3.

There do seem to be lot of nice places to fly around there. Even avoiding Longmoor.

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