Over 370 Local Authority Byelaws and Policies on the Recreational Use of Drones are now available on Drone Scene

I very much doubt that the people employed to answer FOI requests are actually setting or influencing policy.

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Going by some of the weird and wonderful job titles we’ve seen in the several thousand emails we’ve been dealing with over the last six weeks, I’d absolutely agree.

My point exactly :slight_smile:

Hi Rich @PingSpike
From the FOI request to Central Beds, the following response was given to your questions :-

“A1 - A2. We do not have any bylaws or policies specifically about drones, however our land
is classed as private property and we would expect anyone looking to enter our land to seek
our consent . Seeking consent : please email ……”

Surely this would not apply to public spaces ? I.E. public footpaths, parks etc, as that would mean that anyone using these spaces would need to email central beds to request permission to walk on a public footpath and/or enter a public park etc. ? (Or is it me not understanding the rules properly ?) or are Central Beds Council expecting to be inundated with email requests.

You’re exactly right Rob @Brigadier

To the point where you can stop reading anything immediately after this part:

We do not have any bylaws or policies specifically about drones

That’s pretty much all that’s required to know :slight_smile:

You would not believe some of the responses we got from LAs with no byelaw or policy, the amount of additional “things” they added to their response in order to try and scare people off was unbelievable.

We might publish some of the more interesting responses here in due course :blush:

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I was talking to someone from a local authority (a senior officer) who I know is ‘into’ drones.
I showed him some footage I had taken in the city centre, and this is the conversation we had:

Him: Where did you get permission from
Me: Air Traffic Control (it is in a FRZ)
Him: No, I mean from the council
Me: I dont need permission from the council, the CAA own the airspace
Him: You need permission to take off from our land
Me: It was a public footpath, I dont need permission
Him: Oh yes you do
Me: Oh no I dont
Him: … I’m working on a system where you can use Altitude Angel to request permission, it will come to me, and I can then decide

At that point I made my excuses and walked away…

Its good to know he is focussing on the important things :exploding_head:

So, the council own public parks etc, Do they expect every member of the public to seek consent every time they wish to walk through the park ? I don’t think so.
Some of these council officers are so far up their own arses it’s unbelievable that they got such a position in the first place. Might as well lock the park gates up 24/7 :roll_eyes::roll_eyes::roll_eyes:

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You could be on to something there… However most council employees prefer to read the Guardian newspaper, let’s hope they don’t start reading the Daily Mail. :rofl::rofl::rofl:

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Some work been done here ! Well done and thank you !

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good to know what’s important to councils when they are pleading poverty and what they see as in their ownership and need to defend

I’m thinking about going out tonight and I’m going to be walking into town, anybody know who I need to ask permission from at the council in addition to the boss at home?

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Is there any way for users to append a link to the local council website onto/into that map info? Specifically a link to any relevant published byelaws? Additional context to the FOI link is sometimes absolutely needed.

For Example, take Basingstoke & Dean Council FOI request where the response is pretty unintelligible. However, the council website has a list of byelaws (https://www.basingstoke.gov.uk/council-byelaws) that includes the byelaw for Pleasure Grounds, Public Walks and Open Spaces. Unfortunately, in that byelaw Basingstoke & Dean council specifically deny permission for TOAL and Control of drones across 229 listed green space areas and parks.

It would be useful to have this link, and other links like them) represented on your map for B/Stoke & Dean council.

Regards… JD

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I agree, some of the responses can be very hard to read.

The way the “What do they know?” web site formats the email responses we get doesn’t always help either.

The Basingstoke one you mention wasn’t too bad though:

Source: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/freedom_of_information_request_b_521#incoming-2591268

On the next round of these we might provide even deeper integration and manually type up their responses in to Drone Scene and probably list each one in a thread of its own on the forum too.

That would allow things to be updated easier as and when their regs change, it’d give people a place to discuss specific authority regulations and as you suggest @julesman101 it’d allow our members to provide additional details and more information.

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“No” x 370 won’t take long. :stuck_out_tongue:

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I own a piece of land that has a public footpath running through it (and a river/watercourse). Whilst I own the land under the footpath, the Local Authority owns the footpath. The Public can walk along the footpath without trespassing on my land. In theory no such rights exist for dogs with their owners or the action of flying drones. I can shoot dogs that worry my livestock on my smallholding, though I’m not too sure about drone operators disturbing my livestock. :smiley:

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Most landowners don’t worry about people flying drones from a public footpath over their land, the drone isn’t likely to cause any damage.

Most of the times when I fly a drone there is no landowner around and no-one will know that I have enjoyed a flight over their land. When I have asked landowners for permission to fly from public footpaths on their land permission has always been granted.

I wouldn’t use a drone to worry livestock, but I have flown it high above fields to check if cattle are present before walking through the field. I find that cattle and sheep take no notice at all of a small drone a few hundred feet above them.

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That reflects my experience.

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Well done guys a lot of work has gone into this thank you :pray:

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Thanks from me too.

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Liverpool finally completed.

That’s it, all done, the whole of the UK has now responded to their FOI requests and they are all available in Drone Scene :smiley:

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Yes but they only last for 3 years and have to be renewed. That is the time to get a concerted objection to their implementation, but you only have a very short window in which to do so. Up to individuals who are aware of them to do their bit, not leave it to others.